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Re: TU Stocking

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Are there many wild trout in the Lehigh anywhere downstream from the dam?


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There is a fair to decent population of wild trout in the Lehigh. Not nearly enough to make it a good, excellent, or blue ribbon fishery. IMO, if there were no stocking of the Lehigh it would be a fair to maybe so-so trout fishery.

Not sure how many wild trout exist in the river. I think it would be very difficult to get good population estimates. BUt the point is they are there and in decent #s with some very large ones swimming around too. If using the PFBC class system, my guess would be Class C to maybe Class B population.


All,

Just for clarification sake, please don't confuse the LRSA and the Lehigh Coldwater Fishery Alliance (LCFA). LCFA does not stock trout and is soley intersted in enhancing the wild trout fishery that exists in the river. When I read the posts, i got the notion that some maybe confusing the two organization. I cold be wrong, but just want to put it on "the record".

I think the LRSA being a stocking organization is a vital component in helping make this a more desirable trout fishery. Currently, I dont think stocking trout in the river affects wild trout populations and serves to enhance angler enjoyment of a large and beautiful river.

Posted on: 2011/2/15 16:10


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I wanted to know more about the Delaware when i lived down East but never made it. It's got to be similar in size to the Yough? There was a long while there they weren't sure about the Yough , but about 30 years ago they started stocking fingerlings , and still do.

Posted on: 2011/2/15 17:34


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troutbert wrote:
I just found out what tl;dr means, by Googling it.

I guessed correcdtly about the too long part. But my guess for "dr" was drivel.

My version is better.


It was a preemptive strike before Gfen or LRSABecker did it to me. Frankly, the length is probably not as bad as the drivel, so you are right.


I was referring to the abbreviation "tl;dr" in general, because I never knew what it meant, not anybody's post in particular.

I'm editing my version.

tl;dr = too long, drivelous

Posted on: 2011/2/15 19:12


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troutbert wrote:
I just found out what tl;dr means, by Googling it.

I guessed correcdtly about the too long part. But my guess for "dr" was drivel.

My version is better.


It was a preemptive strike before Gfen or LRSABecker did it to me. Frankly, the length is probably not as bad as the drivel, so you are right.


I was referring to the abbreviation "tl;dr" in general, because I never knew what it meant, not anybody's post in particular.

I'm editing my version.

tl;dr = too long, drivelous


How about this...

tl;rebda = too long; read but didn't agree.
OR
tl;tfmomlinr = too long; thats five minutes of my life I will never recoup.

Posted on: 2011/2/15 23:20
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Re: TU Stocking

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Maurice wrote:
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troutbert wrote:
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jdaddy wrote:
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troutbert wrote:
I just found out what tl;dr means, by Googling it.

I guessed correcdtly about the too long part. But my guess for "dr" was drivel.

My version is better.


It was a preemptive strike before Gfen or LRSABecker did it to me. Frankly, the length is probably not as bad as the drivel, so you are right.


I was referring to the abbreviation "tl;dr" in general, because I never knew what it meant, not anybody's post in particular.

I'm editing my version.

tl;dr = too long, drivelous


How about this...

tl;rebda = too long; read but didn't agree.
OR
tl;tfmomlinr = too long; thats five minutes of my life I will never recoup.


Hey, that's mean. I was trying to help the boy out.

Posted on: 2011/2/17 23:22


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For the record, I didn't read it...as was stated it was tooooooo long. I was just trying to take the edge of Troutberts "Drivilous" comment.

Posted on: 2011/2/17 23:53
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Re: TU Stocking

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Here are the two policies written by TU the first concerns co-op nurseries the second concerns Trout Management. This is what the state council has published. I took a count several years ago, and there are fewr than 6 chapters that as far as I can tell are involved with co-op nurseries. There are no doubt a few more than that involved in stocking.

In my opinion chapters are at risk that stock fish. That's just my opinion. Further there should be some justification for stocking, like restoration of native fishes. Stocking of browns and rainbows should be completely off limits, but that is my opinion. TU Iis a Cold water conservation Org. as such chapters shouldn't be wasting resources that are hard to come by on stocking trout, that is what PFBC does as well as the Co-ops. not TU. Again my opinion.


Co-op Nurseries

Trout Mnagement


LRSABecker, I am not against stocking the Lehigh, all Im saying is that any stocking should be well thought out and with the ultimate goal of restoring the wild trout of the river and that includes brook trout.

Stocking of large migratory fish in the river for the misguided purpose of trying to establish a run of salmon and steelhead ignores the life history of these great fish. The Atlantic Ocean in the mid-Atlantic region is far too warm for these fish, if they made it that far. Heck they can't even establish Atlantic Salmon in their home waters.

So where does this leave us, restoration of the river itself, a very noble cause and should be part of LRSA's mission. Goals must be achieveable.

Posted on: 2011/2/19 19:40


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Ahh see now your going to run into the problem that the Lehigh does have a wild trout population arguement.


Shane, first thing I love your new avatar. Next, regarding stocking and TU; several years ago TU National tightened up its policy regarding chapter involvement in stocking & hatchery co-ops. Basically, TU discourages that involvement however it did not go so far as to explicitly forbid it, at least for chapters with an existing hatchery co-op. TU's stance makes sense since stocking trout is often counter-productive to TU's mission which is to restore, reconnect, and protect trout streams for wild trout to thrive in them. Overal there are very few TU affiliated co-ops compared to the# of chapters state and nation wide. It is the remnants of an unfortunate period years ago in which a few misguided individuals lost sight of TU's mission and steered chapters into affiliations with stocking and co-ops. I think TU's updated policy stattements are an attempt to move towards officially phasing those affiliations out.

A far as any TU individuals getting on the LRSA for stocking, clearly these individuals are not well-informed about the Lehigh, the dynamic of it trout population, and the vital role the LRSA has played in the rebirth and enhancement of that trout population. I have to say I've only heard a few TU individuals question it and that's because they know TU's feelings about stocking but are naive to the specific situation of the Lehigh. I don't think there are many TU members complainig to you are there? Let me know, there is plenty of heavily forested lands by me to dispose of the bodies. Seriously though I think the TU chapters that are involved with our Lehigh River Trout Work Group (under the leadership of the Lehigh Coldwater Fishery Alliance like Forks of the Delaware and Western Pocono are keenly aware of the LRSA's role and what its stocking has helped to accomplish for the river.

I think there is at least a fair amount of anecdotal evidence to support the theory that numerous trout stocked by the LRSA (notably the brown trout) have thrived enough to spawn successfully and have helped to produce and enhance a population of wild brown trout throughout the river. One of my favorite program's the LRSA ever did was the brown trout fingerlings (more like advanced fingerlings) that they stocked in the fall. IMO that is one of the best value's for stocking $ and a great way to jumpstart a population of thriving trout. I would love to see the LRSA get to a point where it's program consists of mostly stocking advanced fingerling brown trout and rainbows.

The LRSA has also been instrumental in conservation & cleanup efforts regarding AMD as well as placing dataloggers in the river at various locales. All these efforts can be gleened from the extensive website the LRSA maintains.

I think the Lehigh River Stocking Association and the Lehigh Coldwater Fishery Alliance are the two most important trout fishery advocates on the river.

Posted on: 2011/3/1 10:38

Edited by RyanR on 2011/3/1 10:55:53
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