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Re: Refuge Areas

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Generally speaking, Albatross is correct, although these areas, also known as "wired areas," were not limited to smaller streams.

Posted on: 2009/4/25 21:56


Re: Refuge Areas

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salvelinusfontinalis wrote:
wonder if that means the first 20 yards of big spring will be open

I think eliminating these areas on wild streams is a bad idea. i could care less about the stocked ones




Do they have them on wild streams that get no stockings?

Posted on: 2009/4/26 16:35


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There was one on the Letort right below charlies meadow before you get to the houses , I don't know if it's still there or not.

Posted on: 2009/4/26 19:41


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Thanks, just wondering...

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Big Spring has one also in the ditch area

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I could not open the link, but think I know what you are talking about. The wired areas go back many years. The idea was that stocked trout would be put there and allowed to slowly spread out thru the stream above and below the wires. This would supposedly stretch out the length of time before all the hatchery trout were removed. From what I have been told, it wasn’t very successful, but, like many ideas based on theory and never backed up by facts, it just kept going and going. I’m glad it’s gone.

Posted on: 2009/4/28 10:00


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The one on Big Spring was the first 50 ft. or so below the source which back when it was a brookie gem was where most of the spawning went on , i personally would like to see that section remain closed.

Posted on: 2009/4/28 20:14


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me 2 osprey.

Posted on: 2009/4/28 22:27
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I think Belize got it right...

Not related to the refuge areas, but the case could be made for C & R fishing which would eliminate the need for "Refuge areas".

Posted on: 2009/4/28 22:38


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KenU wrote:
I could not open the link, but think I know what you are talking about. The wired areas go back many years. The idea was that stocked trout would be put there and allowed to slowly spread out thru the stream above and below the wires. This would supposedly stretch out the length of time before all the hatchery trout were removed. From what I have been told, it wasn’t very successful, but, like many ideas based on theory and never backed up by facts, it just kept going and going. I’m glad it’s gone.



Well if this is true they they should hav called them "Commodity Preservation Areas" or "Timed Release Stocking Areas" Not Refude Areas.

To me a refuge area is one the presents a refuge for trout struggling to stay alive in unusual cunditions. Like when it got real warm that summer a few years ago and all the trouts swam up to Elk Creek/Pine Creek and the locals were wacking them like crazy wut the F&BC didn't see any reason to stop the slaughter becuase its leagal to creel trout this time of year. Trouble is they were wild trout, coming up from the Trophy Trout section and C&R section. It was a few days/to weeks beofre the US Fish & Wildlife came in and roped the area off as a refuge area.

Just sayin'

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Sounds like a place where a poacher might concentrate his efforts...

Posted on: 2009/4/29 8:32


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Maurice

Agree 1,000,000% with that idea. As a "conservation" organization (PFBC), that is what those designations should be used for....preservation of our wild natural resources (wild trout).

I recall when US F&W or was it DCNR (not sure) did that...thankfully they stepped in. Its really sad when our designated fisheries agency doesn't have the "you know what" to save wild trout. I guess its a matter of priorities...unnnghhhh.

Makes me sick remembering that situation.

As for poachers...its not a difficult issue. You post the signs, patrol the area occasionally and when someone is fishing there you fine them..period. The poachers will get the point.

I know..."we don't have the man power to patrol them"...

BS - the PFBC finds a way to patrol their stockie streams every spring for 30-40 days each year. This would be done at a time of year when the WCO's could shift their patrols to the "refuge areas" and not need to be focused on the ATWs. AND, I gurantee the number of refuge areas won't be nearly as numerous as the amount of water the WCO's patrol that is needed on the ATWs.

If the PFBC wants to allow for later season stocky fishing opportunities...put that stretch of water in Delayed Harvest....not "Refuge" area. Woops..that wouldn't work either...that would eliminate bait anglers. I guess they need to come up with a new name.

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Trouble is after memorial day the WCO's are onthe lakes enforcing boating law.

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Re: Refuge Areas

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wgmiller,

My take on Belize:

Belize instituted that policy because a great percentage of their economic gains are due to fishing tourism. It is not applicable to PA, a state where a great percentage of the fishermen are residents. Sport fishing in PA carries the tradition of catch/keep fishing, and many anglers here have been doing things that way for their entire lives.

There's a big difference between what your average fisherman expects from the "trip of a lifetime" as opposed to your average saturday morning outing.

I don't think that the Belize model provides any insight with respect to PA fisheries management.

Interesting article, though. Thanks.

Posted on: 2009/4/29 14:06


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Maurice

Well then the WCO can drive by a "Refuge Area" on the way to or from a lake.

Its not difficult....lame excuse IMO.

Posted on: 2009/4/29 14:28



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