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Re: Piping through amish land

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I actually support exporting gas and oil. It makes a lot of sense, actually. Particularly as we deal with countries like Russia. They're a liquid gas based economy. We don't want to get into a military bat with them, so I think it makes good sense that we export natural gas and hurt their wallets. They can pretty much can hold Eastern Europe hostage by turning off the flow of gas. We're taking that power away from them, and we're doing it w/out bombs.


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Re: Piping through amish land

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I also support the idea of supplying gas to countries like Poland - for example, the red army felt so good about liberating Poland in ww2 that they stayed to celebrate for almost 45 years. US LNG cant immediately change this, but it can part of the progress away from Putin being able to hold EU members and American allies hostage:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easter ... 2014/04/poland-and-russia

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Re: Piping through amish land

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Word....

I promise, a nuke is far worse for the environmen than ANY fracking accident! Do what we can to take power away from goons like Putin, and do it w/out the bombs.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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I too support using the natural gas in such ways but I CANNOT support the pipelines proposed route. It's ridiculous. Move it a little east and pay the extra bucks to do it already.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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From 1986 to 2007. 52 million dollars in property damage. The pipelines need to stay out of the preserves.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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I agree Sal, it should not run through a nature preserve. What's the point of a preserve?

You working today? I get off at 3pm. Fishing?

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Long story but not today. I'm available after2 wed and Thursday. If it's nice might hit some smallies. Got a Phillipson 8.5 7wt coming just for that too :)

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Re: Piping through amish land

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I couldn't do either one. Bummer. Friday I could do it (off at 3), and this weekend of course. Oh well. We'll get it soon. I want to hit the smallies too.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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Re: Piping through amish land

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Salmonid, You minimized the value of your contribution by calling your link General Information. Within the article is the first very specific info that speaks to potential terrestrial impacts. Obviously, stream crossings were going to occur. How could they not? But this article is the first I have seen that specifies that while the pipelines will follow power line rights-of-way, they will not be within the rights-of-way, but will instead involve the expansion of the rights-of-way footprints by 50 ft, and by up to 125 ft during construction.




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Re: Piping through amish land

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Latest Lancaster newspaper article. The possibility of routing around some sensitive natural areas is apparently on the table.

Initial FERC filings, including some more detailed maps.


In addition to my concern about the natural areas, my stake in the game just went up. The proposed pipeline right of way butts up directly against the front of my property; it looks like my house might be included in the right-of-way. The nearest power line is over a quarter of a mile away and the proposed pipeline does not parallel the power line until after passing behind Safe Harbor Village, where it also would cut a wide swath through a nice wooded area surrounding the village, which area I believe the Conservancy also now owns.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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Enough is enough. If they can find a route through some barren cornfield wastelands that's fine. Otherwise I am totally against this thing. We have precious few natural areas in Lancaster County and it would be a real shame to mess with any of the areas on this route.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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Latest I heard is that alternative routes are now being discussed that would avoid the Tuquan Glen preserve.

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Re: Piping through amish land

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The_Sasquatch wrote:
Latest I heard is that alternative routes are now being discussed that would avoid the Tuquan Glen preserve.


This alternative route is discussed in the Alternatives document in the FERC filing. The part that goes through my house is a bit of an anomaly, in that one of the guiding principles in locating the pipeline was to follow existing right-of-ways wherever possible. They do this for some stretch, paralleling the power line, but for some reason, they deviate from the power line right-of-way for about a four mile stretch.

I thought there might be something in the Clean and Green law that might make farm enrollees think twice about opening up their land to pipeline development, but not surprisingly, there were some amendments and clarifications to the law made in 2010/2011 that exempt pipeline activity from nullifying Clean and Green status and/or only make the acreage of the affected land ineligible for tax relief, instead of the entire land parcel.

The proposed route would also parallel the eastern upslope regions of Donegal Creek. Not that there isn't already tons of agricultural siltation going on there, but time to get that stream surveyed the second time and upgraded to Class A

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