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Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I think it's insane to have closure seasons on streams with wild fish present b/c of stockings (I think having closures due to fragile temps and flow is necessary). Then telling me I can't fish for almost 5-6 months, one of the worst opinions/ideas I've read on this board.

Posted on: 9/11 16:32


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I hate to say this but I don't think slot limits work, just because the majority of people I encounter on stream sections regulated in this manner- never measure anything. If they catch a fish that looks like 9", it's going home. I have seen it enough times, and let's face it, WCO's are already stretched thin as it is, and people take advantage of this. As for the other suggestions, the biggest one for me is cessation of stocking over Class A streams for the reasons many of you site. I hate seeing people catching/killing wild browns on Penns Creek in the Spring Mills area where it is managed as a Class A stocked fishery like BFC. Instead of stocking Penns there with adult trout for Opening Day along with rainbow fingerlings later in the year- why not better manage the resource and allow it to develop into what it could be with more restrictive regs and no stocking? I have no doubt that making that a C&R ALO/All Tackle would really take that section to another level since all of the other ingredients are there.

Posted on: 9/11 16:42


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I think stocking over wild trout populations is one of the biggest issues that we could control.

Education is definitely another one. Many people just don't realize that we have the thriving wild trout populations that we do here in PA. Spawning habits of wild trout in PA is another area that is great educational information.

But nature has a way of sustaining wild trout populations over time that we have no control over. Great spawning seasons are the result of optimal water levels, temperatures and weather conditions and not about the timing of a stocking or whether someone unknowingly stepped into an active redd. We are very fortunate here in PA to have the opportunity to fish over some great wild trout populations. I've seen many of these populations deplete and rebound over the years as the conditions dictate. We need to be good stewards of these streams but we can't control them.

Posted on: 9/11 16:50


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I hate to say this but I don't think slot limits work, just because the majority of people I encounter on stream sections regulated in this manner- never measure anything. If they catch a fish that looks like 9", it's going home. I have seen it enough times, and let's face it, WCO's are already stretched thin as it is, and people take advantage of this. As for the other suggestions, the biggest one for me is cessation of stocking over Class A streams for the reasons many of you site. I hate seeing people catching/killing wild browns on Penns Creek in the Spring Mills area where it is managed as a Class A stocked fishery like BFC. Instead of stocking Penns there with adult trout for Opening Day along with rainbow fingerlings later in the year- why not better manage the resource and allow it to develop into what it could be with more restrictive regs and no stocking? I have no doubt that making that a C&R ALO/All Tackle would really take that section to another level since all of the other ingredients are there.


Just face it...its not going to happen on these larger class A streams. The public would not have it. I know they would never allow it on BFC. Quite honestly I bet I'd see even more people keeping fish from BFC out of spite if they quit stocking it. That's the mentality of the majority of anglers there. They are not very smart!

Posted on: 9/11 16:52


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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1. Habitat Improvement - not just in-stream, but in the entire watershed of ALL streams. Riparian buffers, better stormwater controls, and erosion control - establish those 3 things before doing any in-stream work. All the fish habitat structures in the world mean nothing if the water quality degrades to the point of not supporting reproduction or gets too warm in the summer.
2. Secure public access
3. Educate the angling public about wild trout.

Ending stocking over wild fish should be case-by-case IMO. I can think of some stocked wild streams that if you ended stocking, you'd maybe have more wild fish, but they would still be small due to lack of habitat. That's why I put habitat higher up. With that said there are PLENTY of stream sections that don't need to be stocked right now.

Posted on: 9/11 17:00
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Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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1. Stop stocking streams based on license sales in a given county. Only stock streams that do not support wild trout populations. Let the wormers fill their stringers on the stocked streams.

2. Have two types of trout stamps. Catch and release stamp and the more expensive catch and keep stamp.

3. Designate all wild trout, A and B streams and any others that will sustain trout as catch and release.

Posted on: 9/11 17:05


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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[quote]
ernie wrote:
1. Stop stocking streams based on license sales in a given county. Only stock streams that do not support wild trout populations. Let the wormers fill their stringers on the stocked streams.

2. Have two types of trout stamps. Catch and release stamp and the more expensive catch and keep stamp.

3. Designate all wild trout, A and B streams and any others that will sustain trout as catch and release.[/quote]

My experience with this is bad. Complete catch and release causes lots of small fish and few larger quality fish. I'd rather have quality over quantity in a lot of cases.

Posted on: 9/11 17:12


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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A closed season is NOT a terrible idea. Other states do it. Protecting fish while they're spawning is a terrific idea, ESPECIALLY if you want strong wild trout populations. The last thing wild trout populations need are "trout pros" finessing trout off of redds.

Posted on: 9/11 17:32


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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1. Stop stocking trout in all class A and B.
2. Open the hatcheries to the stringer crowd.
3. Paint the great white fleet pink and convert them for hauling anglers to and from the hatcheries.

I'm only half joking.



Yes! That's the best idea I have heard.

Posted on: 9/11 17:45


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I think it's insane to have closure seasons on streams with wild fish present b/c of stockings (I think having closures due to fragile temps and flow is necessary). Then telling me I can't fish for almost 5-6 months, one of the worst opinions/ideas I've read on this board.


Really? I almost have to think you are pulling my leg. Yeah, close during the spawn through hatch out. This keeps people from interrupting the reproduction of the wild fish. "Hold on cowboy. I like raping the redds during the spawn. Easy to catch some whoppers at that time.".

If we are talking about how to improve wild fisheries, pretty sure this is going to be in the discussion. When someone on here gives multiple example of people being unable to distinguish between 2 species.....you think they can identify spawning areas? Not likely or "I stay clear of them" .....which is also known as "I wade all over the river burying the newly fertilized eggs in silt". How does that help improve things for wild fish?

Fish for bass, fish for catfish or keep in on the stocked waters for a few months. Is it going to kill ya? Why does everyone feel so entitled or have to be so selfish? By my own choice, I trout fish between 4/1 and 6/15-ish. So I don't stress fish during the warm periods, I stop fishing until water temps have dropped to safe levels which is early to mid September. I then feel it's safe to trout fish again from mid September to the end of October. I then leave wild streams alone until spring so they can make more fish for us to catch next season. Wish everyone were so thoughtful by putting the resource first. That sounds like a good slogan....have PFBC look into adopting it. LOL

Posted on: 9/11 17:46


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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Don't get me wrong it's 100% ethical and I totally understand why you would do it. However at some point the line has to be drawn that fish are here to be fished. Shutting down a stream for half a calendar year, then throw in a bad summer in July and August; that give you a four month window to fish the stream. Hell sounds like steelhead fishing - oh wait can't steelhead fish either bc under your terms those tribs would be shut down for the spawn. Again makes sense but at some point you have to draw the line. Protect them when the biologist officially say the spawn is on? Sure for a couple weeks, but shut it down for 6 months? No way. Not like it would ever happen that's a lot of cash to be lost keeping people away for half a year.

It's not selfish, I enjoy trout fishing. I don't fish for other species anymore. I don't enjoy it. Do I fish for fish on redds? Nope. I'm educated, educated enough to know trout don't spawn for 6 months. Educated enough to know Browns and rainbows don't even spawn at the same time. The redds can only be protected so much, educate and detour. I follow enough rules and regs in life, let there be fishing for God sakes!


Ernie's idea of two different types of stamps is really intriguing and creative. Props to that idea!

Posted on: 9/11 18:01


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I doubt they would ever shut it down for that long of a period BUT look at what they did with smallmouth bass on the Susquehanna. Closed during the spawn. If it happened there it can happen to trout for a month also. I bet majority could care less if it closes for a month or so during the fall due to hunting season and football. Trout streams that I fish get the least amount of pressure fall into winter. I would have no issue with it being close or a month or month and a half period. Highly doubt it would ever happen though. Also we can have all the rules ya want but if there is no one to enforce them who cares. Heck BFC doesn't even have a warden in the area. Left a year and a half to 2 years ago and was never replaced.

Posted on: 9/11 18:35


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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I hate the idea of a closed season for spawning trout. Winter is my favorite time to fish. No crowds, some snow for scenery, love it. However, if there was a stream with population problems due to the spawn I could be in favor of it. Most of the rivers I fish have a population problem but there are too many trout. I would very much be against a closed season on the savage or gunpowder for example. Kray what's an example of a river system who's population is low and would be helped by a closed season? Like 3oh4 said we all have to draw a line somewhere, right now closed seasons are over the line for me. I haven't fished too many streams in PA(little j, penns, spring) but the ones I have, had an abundance of trout.

Posted on: 9/11 19:00


Re: Improving Wild Trout Angling in PA

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Big difference from 6 months to 1 month. 1 month sure no problem, multiple months? Eek not sure about that. Not like it matters I can't even look at my flyrods from November to Late March.

I could also scenerios where you are trying to resurrect streams from "spawning exstinction" - I could understand that as well.

I also really agree with BigJohn's assessment on catch and release regs, a lot of streams over populate and quality fish seem to disappear. Go fish the Brookie streams of the Savage river, used to be full of big Brookies but since they made everything C and R the tribs are insanely populated but the quality has really went downhill.

Posted on: 9/11 19:02


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Ok, if you won't subscribe to closing and entire stream for 6 months and are fine with the one month closure.... would you accept spawning areas / tribs be closed to fishing until 4/1?

Ryan asked for an example in PA. There are none because PFBC doesn't manage that way. NY State does on the Delaware. You have almost 90 of trout water. All of it in NY shuts down. Only the PA border waters are open to fishing. So, it leaves about 33+ miles of the Delaware and all the BK (minus the special regs area) closed to angling. This allows mid river spawn and feeder spawns undisturbed. Guessing that only 10 miles of water provides fish for that entire system. It does work.

What's wrong with stockers over the winter? Plenty of places to fish for them. I'm talking the best of the best streams based on potential. Remember when spring used to have more than 6 fish over 10"?

Posted on: 9/11 19:36
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