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Re: High water mark?

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From the photo, I'd say the angler is really pushing the line.

The second orange line drawn appears to be drawn at the MMMWL (Mean Mid-May Weedtop Level.)

Sorry for using the technical terminology.

Posted on: 2009/5/25 13:43


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Look for signs of erosion...I would think below any signs of erosion would be ok...any reason to think otherwise. Can't have erosion if the water doesn't get up there...

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Based on what was said in those videos explaining bankfull, I would say the the high water mark in that photo is where the bank starts to level off. In the area where the person is walking, it looks like the bank starts to level off farely close to the water's edge. To me it looks like that guy is closer to the high water mark than what some people may think.

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Posted on: 2009/5/26 19:15


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I agree that he's close. His head is even above it. From where he was standing, I interpreted the HWM to be around his knees. It's a game of inches, I guess.

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All well and good, but what about going up on the flood plain to get toa secondary channel? And to make sure we cover everything, there is something in navigability law that says if a river or stream is navigable, landowners have to provide access, or at least not block access. This came up in a case where a casino wanted to develop a section of land along the Delaware R.
Just about every stream that I fish has vegetation below the OHWM.

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^^^ Epic Bump.

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I would agree with Jack's interpretation of the OHWM, and would say that Afish has identified the Bankfull Discharge Elevation. Unless I am entirely mistaken, Bankfull is a measure of the stream's discharge just prior to its leaving its channel and accessing its floodplain. It is helpful to think of the OHWM as the water surface elevation of the stream during normal runoff each spring. The stream likely acheives its OHWM elevation several times during a typical rainfall year. This regular sweeping clears away the terrestrial vegetation from the wetted portion of the channel before the plants can become well established, but does not remove aquatic vegetation which is adapted to stream flow conditions. Bankfull discharges are stronger flows than those associated with OHW. Bankfull is strong enough to move bedload and forms the channel, moving it this way and that. As Mo pointed out, the frequency of Bankfull is more on the order of a 1.5 to 2 year storm event. OHWM is a regulatory definition, whereas Bankfull Discharge is more of an engineering term. As a general rule, if you are walking on loose, mostly unvegetated cobble or gravel, you are most likely below the OHWM. In the photo, the guy wading in the middle of the stream is obviously ok, but the guy up on the bank standing in the vegetation is likely above the OHWM.

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Wouldn't just be effin' simple to keep your feet in the water? Then, in fact, you would be legal??

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Sounds effin simple, but not always so. I've had times when one step off shore, it's over your waders. While that's uncommon, bankside brush is VERY common, where you can't wade around via water due to depth, and the only way around is by land.

Posted on: 2012/2/9 10:56


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jsjigs ,

I hope u wear a life jacket when fishing ..lol

On a very important side note Alan at spruce creek outfitter went to bat legaly against the Beav and spent ALOT of his own money to do so. Next time your in the area enjoying the "open" water on the J stop and spend a little bit of money and thank him for it !!!

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Quote:

troutslammer wrote:
jsjigs ,

I hope u wear a life jacket when fishing ..lol

On a very important side note Alan at spruce creek outfitter went to bat legaly against the Beav and spent ALOT of his own money to do so. Next time your in the area enjoying the "open" water on the J stop and spend a little bit of money and thank him for it !!!



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I do wear a life jacket... when fishing on a jet boat. LOL.

I just don't fish in places that people want to jack me up 'cause I'm wading near their property. I've fished down near the Beav's place on the Little J. I usually just access the LJ above the white church near the bridge. Then I don't have to worry about Beav's minions chasing me. But I would like to take a piss in the Beav's so-called "Home Waters".

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