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Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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MHanes wrote:
I am done talking to the wall please send me the keys to your car, and your home heating fuel bill so I can get your gas shut off for ya. Also if you enjoy having light to tie flies I suggest you get rid of the lamp that lights your bench and quit using electricity.

I do feel it needs to be properly managed and there have been some issues and the pipeline instilation has been one of them. Lets. We need to be real fracking gas wells is not new! Do some research on that it has been fracking in some for or another has been done in PA since the 1950's

If we would all rally around making sure it gets done right and is properly managed we would get a lot more positive response from the indusdry. Many of those that work for these companies are normal people making a living like all of us they have families and enjoy the outdoors. They don't want to cause problems and pollute. They try to do everything they can to prevent accidents. If we can come to the relaiziation that hey we can't stop it from happening but we can make sure things are done right and managed properly we are all better. The realization is with the number of wells that have been drilled in the last 5 years there are very few problems you just don't hear about all the wells and companies that have done thing the right way.

please let me know when is the best time to shut off your gas and how riding horse back to work is in the dead of winter.


I don't think anyone has called for the complete cessation of gas extraction. Shallow wells were never a topic of discussion. The concern is the safety and supervision when or adding dangerous ingredients to the environment without adequate control of the different forms of pollution.

Posted on: 2012/10/2 19:11


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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Anyone who would clearly identify themselves to include name, address, etc has completely lost their minds and has no idea of the consequences of social media and it's impact on real life. The concept that "real names" (what are you going to do check drivers license) creates a garbage filter is utterly ridiculous. My name is Mike Hunt. Prove it's not.


Here is an example where using real names could lead to problems.

Johnny Flyfisher contributes to many threads on the forum including topics on hunting, fishing trips, items for sale, etc. Johnny uses his full real name on the site. Johnny happens to be listed in the local phone directory. Johnny also posts a nice shotgun in the sale section. Johnny then mentions he is taking the family to Yellowstone for a week to fly fish. With just a bit of surfing an unregistered browser puts all this together and visits Johnny's house that week to see what other nice items Johnny may have.

Could a thief gather up all that info and target someone based on info posted on a forum? Probably but they would have to invest a lot more time to connect all the dots if screen names are used.

Posted on: 2012/10/3 6:58


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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What, you mean you guys didn't register your real, birth names? Oh crap.

Posted on: 2012/10/3 11:14


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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Its just an observation I have noticed sites that have real names seem to be more business and less BS. Guys don't burn spots and troll on those sites simply because they don't have the internet muscles that come with a fake name.

Sorry I really feel that IMHO this site could be better if it was that way. I know it won't change.

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Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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Wow address i never said that. You all need to fish more!

Posted on: 2012/10/3 11:51


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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Shallow wells were never a topic of discussion. The concern is the safety and supervision when or adding dangerous ingredients to the environment without adequate control of the different forms of pollution.


Fail to see the distinction. Ingredients and chemicals are the same for shallow gas as for Marcellus. Forms of pollution also the same.

Now, if not the type, then the degree of danger, yes, is hugely different. Higher pressures = higher likelihood of failures and accidents. And should it occur, the amount of water is FAR greater, thus also more contaminants, and capability for more damage. Also, the non-accidental impacts are larger. Larger pads = more siltation, many more trucks tearing up roads, etc.

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Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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I have noticed sites that have real names seem to be more business and less BS.


Do any sites aside from TroutLegend actually use that model? That site is basically a niche community of people who are interested competitive FF.

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Guys don't burn spots and troll on those sites simply because they don't have the internet muscles that come with a fake name.


Does hosting tournaments on streams and encouraging people to attend them count as spot-burning? That seems to be the main purpose of TroutLegend. Hosting tournaments on wild trout streams during spawning season is worse than spot burning. Having 20 anglers wade through the redds is great stewardship.

I'm sure you'd be banned pretty fast if you decided to raise (valid) points about the ethics of competitive fly fishing on TroutLegend, real name or not. That is a pretty insular community over there. At least here we can have a healthy debate about issues.


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Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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http://www.itinerantangler.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl

I encourage you to sign up and get the debate started over there. I am not going to deal with any debate about it on here. Espically someone hiding behind a screen name. It just proves my point.

I have never seen or been apart of any compeition where anglers waded through reds. Also before you make judjement I urge you to check out a local event you might be very suprised by what you see and how they are run.

Posted on: 2012/10/3 15:43


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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I encourage you to sign up and get the debate started over there. I am not going to deal with any debate about it on here. Espically someone hiding behind a screen name. It just proves my point.


Now that you know who I am, perhaps you'll reconsider.

Note that subsurface transport phenomena is my DIRECT area of expertise.

Posted on: 2012/10/3 19:52


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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begone with ya then, if we're not worth debating with.
go to your "truthfull" forum.
ours is just pretend anyways, nothing here is real.
bye bye.

Posted on: 2012/10/3 21:21


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MHanes wrote:
Its just an observation I have noticed sites that have real names seem to be more business and less BS. Guys don't burn spots and troll on those sites simply because they don't have the internet muscles that come with a fake name.

Sorry I really feel that IMHO this site could be better if it was that way. I know it won't change.



Be careful what you wish for.....

I've used my real name on a site and when I Google myself, all the posts I've made going back for years comes up in the search. It's not a problem, but anyone with bad intentions can glean a ton of info about a person by doing a simple search. Not a good idea, IMO.

Posted on: 2012/10/4 8:38


Re: Fracking Spill into Pine Creek?

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A simple IM to anyone on the site will yield a real name, in most cases. There is no secrecy here. No one is hiding from anything.

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