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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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This VHS is a problem that is new to me. This is from the PFBC website and heard about on a steelhead video I posted last week.

Just thought I would throw this into the mix since it seems related.

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/pafish/all/vhs/vhs.htm

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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The practical side of me says felt soles probably have the highest percentage chance of spreading invasive organisms. Much higher than most other fishing equipment aside from boats. The anti-regulatory side of me dislikes imposed bans , especially when a true replacement is not at hand.

The one thing to keep in mind is that the spread isn't eliminated by getting rid of felt, only slowed down in time. Sooner or later it will occur.

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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The anti-regulatory side of me dislikes imposed bans , especially when a true replacement is not at hand.



I knew someone would make that statement but I think it is a mistake...No one said anything about regulation or a ban...

"Trout Unlimited (TU) asked fishing equipment manufacturers to stop producing felt-soled waders and wading shoes by 2011 to help stop the spread of aquatic nuisance species (ANS) by anglers in America’s rivers and streams"


A request was made...I'm sure TU sees it as an opportunity to act responsibly WITHOUT some sort of forced regulation. I find that refreshing. Maybe they've already lobbied and found the fight fruitless and are trying another approach but requesting that this practice be stopped (agree with it or not) is much more tolerable than being told they have to...

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tabasco_joe wrote:
The anti-regulatory side of me dislikes imposed bans , especially when a true replacement is not at hand.



I knew someone would make that statement but I think it is a mistake...No one said anything about regulation or a ban...

"Trout Unlimited (TU) asked fishing equipment manufacturers to stop producing felt-soled waders and wading shoes by 2011 to help stop the spread of aquatic nuisance species (ANS) by anglers in America’s rivers and streams"


A request was made...I'm sure TU sees it as an opportunity to act responsibly WITHOUT some sort of forced regulation. I find that refreshing. Maybe they've already lobbied and found the fight fruitless and are trying another approach but requesting that this practice be stopped (agree with it or not) is much more tolerable than being told they have to...

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The linked article mentions the ban in New Zeland and that several states discussed the possibility of outlawing felt soled wading equipment (ban). The TU approach would presumably allow you to wear out your current felt soles but the intent is to "ban" the sale of felt waders after 2010.

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Then we could find people wading with felt soles in 2011 call the F&BC and they wouldn't respond. Wonderful!

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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I like my felts. I wear both studded and nonstudded depending on which waters I'm fishing. I suppose more due diligence will be in order to do my part. I don't think I would be able to fish with as much confidence without them. I have read were "sterilizing" the boots with a bleach solution will kill most unwanted pests. So be it.

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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The linked article mentions the ban in New Zeland and that several states discussed the possibility of outlawing felt soled wading equipment (ban). The TU approach would presumably allow you to wear out your current felt soles but the intent is to "ban" the sale of felt waders after 2010.


OK, I'll give you the N.Z. one but stating that some states have "reportedly discussed" banning them is almost as solid as PA getting tax relief from casino gambling...

Posted on: 2008/9/24 19:56


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A request was made...I'm sure TU sees it as an opportunity to act responsibly WITHOUT some sort of forced regulation. I find that refreshing. Maybe they've already lobbied and found the fight fruitless and are trying another approach but requesting that this practice be stopped (agree with it or not) is much more tolerable than being told they have to...

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Tom; I hope TU took this approach as opposed to lobbying for a ban. It's a step in the right direction but they could have shown even more creativity by encouraging manufacturers to make low cost non-felt wading boots available. Maybe even promote them with the TU label or offer TU memberships with purchase or as part of a membership promotion. If there were non-felt boots that worked as well as felt and had other advantages such as better wear they would go obsolete on their own.

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Nothin wrong with TU asking these companies. Doesn't mean they'll comply, when forced to choose between ethics and business, businesses choose business, but they'd prefer to find a way to make them both agree. Rather than just stopping the sale of felt, which for some companies means stopping the sale of wading boots altogether, they'll say no to TU, but ramp up R&D efforts at the same time. In time that R&D will turn into new, more environmentally friendly products, and the marketing will say how necessary these things are (which of course they make money on people replacing their current boots). They'll also be ready should a mandatory ban happen on felts.

Perhaps each company will come out with its own version of "Aquastealth" and advertise it. I don't even think you have to go the rubber route like Aquastealth, just make a less absorbant felt-like material, combined with a boot design to help the stuff dry. It's not that felt is bad for those who manufacture it or not ineffective enough, it just holds water for too long. I don't think this is a terribly difficult nut to crack for a modern R&D center of a reputable company. The question will be how quickly it trickles down to the "me-too" companies, it's those companies that will offer gear at Joe everyday angler prices.

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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Dear Tom,

Wanna bet the prices start at $ 250.00 for the boots and $ 150.00 for the sandals? If you buy a pair of their special wading socks and their top of the line waders you'll be able to drop a $-gee whizz-$ on waders.

Thanks but no thanks, felt without studs is better than studded Aquastealth, and studded felt beats all. Thank God for Cabela's, $ 60.00 for studded felt!

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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I own the 50 dollar unstudded felt from cabelas...I just thought it was funny that we were talking about this and 5 minutes later I get that article in an email...

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Tim,

I recently purchased the Cabela's Lightweight Felt wading boots on your recommendation. I bought the wide size. They fit and feel great! They are the first pair of boots I found that are wide enough for me to layer heavy socks for the winter, without having to go to a size or two larger. No more looking like Ronald MacDonald on the stream. If they hold up as good as you say, they deserve two thumbs up!

I agree with other posters that felt soled boots are superior to other types for safety. I’ve tried studded boots, but gave away the pair I bought. I couldn’t get past the unbelievable amount of scraping noise they made when walking over rocks on dry land. I could only imagine what that sound was like to the fish, since sound is amplified in water. I suppose in a big river it wouldn’t hurt too much, but I spend a lot of time fishing small streams and trying to sneak up on fish.

For now – for me, I’ll keep the felts and carefully clean and dry them along with my other equipment. When/if a new type of sole is developed that works as well felt, I will consider buying them.

Posted on: 2008/9/26 5:58


Re: Felt Soles or NOT?

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I just bought a pair of Cabelas Light Weights with studs myself. The studs on my older Orvis boots are wearing down and I was doing a lot of "skating" last time on Penns. If Cabelas would have had non-felt studded boots under $100 I might have bought a pair to give them a try. I'll continue to wear the Orvis on small mountain streams where the studs don't matter and save the new ones for Penns, Lehigh, etc.

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Re: Felt Soles or NOT?
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I have worn felt soles for years and don't apologize for it. I am carefull about wading new waters; know which streams carry didymo; and sun dry my felts between trips. I suspect (as mentioned in previous threads) that it's inevitable that this ban will eventually be put in place, just like an eventual ban on lead sinkers. The invasives will continue to spread, maybe a bit more slowly, but they'll spread and we'll be slipping on the didymo and getting snails embedded in our butts.

Posted on: 2008/9/26 17:16



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