Register now on PaFlyFish.com! Login
HOME FORUM BLOG PHOTOS LINKS


Sponsors

Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users



(1) 2 3 »


Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/9 9:29
From Monessen, PA
Posts: 22591
Offline
Quote:


Posted By tabasco_joe

I thought it would be interesting to poll the forum to see what opinions are out there on nuclear power generation. It's arguably the only large scale alternative to coal or oil that is availalbe near term.


(how's that?)

Posted on: 2008/2/14 15:59
_________________
Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal.

-- Leo Tolstoy


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/11 13:05
From Lewistown
Posts: 3647
Offline
I support it. It is clean, that white smoke coming out of the stacks is water vapor. However, there is a problem with the waste product, becasue it's radioactive. They can contain the biproduct now, but after another 10 years of solely nuclear power, where are you going to stick it all?????

I agree, it is the only likely succession to coal at this point in time.

Wind -- nobody wants fans in their backyard, even though they make no noise. However, they are expensive to repair, and what if it's not windy?

Hydro -- good idea, but will never happen. You guys know that if every body on Earth died, the hydro electric plant at the Hoover dam would run for a few years unmanned (if the zebra mussels didn't clog the inlets that cool the turbines).

Tidal Power -- great idea, but people with never go for it.

Solar -- best solution. The sun is never ending and enough solar energy hits the Earth everyday to power it for years.

Hydrogen Power -- stupid. The only way to separte hydrogen from H2O is to heat it extremely high (using fossil fuels, or nuclear power) because hydrogen doesn't exsist by itself at our level in the atmosphere.

Did you know... The plan to lower the Earth's temperature is to place thousands of mirrors just out of the atmosphere to reflect sun light. What kind of solution is that. What happens when the Earth cools, scoop them back up?

Posted on: 2008/2/14 16:46
_________________
><(Mkern{( ‘ >


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/11 11:41
From bucks cty
Posts: 997
Offline
Thanks Jack. I still need to figure out what I did wrong. But that's a challange for another day.

Posted on: 2008/2/14 17:07


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/13 12:42
From Altoona, PA
Posts: 2259
Offline
I think we need to solve the problem of spent fuel before we expand nuclear power. The spent fuel is stored onsite at the power plants. This is really not secure. The national repository at Yucca mountain is supposedly not safe either, and is being built at tax payer expense. I'm not a fan of underwriting private industry with public funds. This is another form of corporate welfare, and I've spent enough time and money as a volunteer on AMD impacted streams to personally resent industries that don't solve their own environmental impact.

Posted on: 2008/2/14 18:18
_________________
Padraic
Never challenge a cat to a staring contest


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/10 21:53
From Greensburg, PA
Posts: 13631
Offline
Quote:

MKern wrote:

Hydro -- good idea, but will never happen. You guys know that if every body on Earth died, the hydro electric plant at the Hoover dam would run for a few years unmanned (if the zebra mussels didn't clog the inlets that cool the turbines).



Nearly all our electricity was Hydro in Idaho and it was practically free...I paid $7.50 in the summer and $40 in mid winter and I had electric baseboard heat...

...now where did all those salmon go?

Posted on: 2008/2/14 18:25


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/10 21:53
From Greensburg, PA
Posts: 13631
Offline
Quote:

Padraic wrote:
I think we need to solve the problem of spent fuel before we expand nuclear power. The spent fuel is stored onsite at the power plants. This is really not secure. The national repository at Yucca mountain is supposedly not safe either, and is being built at tax payer expense. I'm not a fan of underwriting private industry with public funds. This is another form of corporate welfare, and I've spent enough time and money as a volunteer on AMD impacted streams to personally resent industries that don't solve their own environmental impact.


I agree with the waste fuel problem...most do not store it on site for very long but you'll never find out when they ship it out either...

We used to do stories on this place when I worked news out west...

There was also a "storage" facility at the INEL facility in eastern ID which consequently, sat above the largest fresh water aquifer in North America...

Posted on: 2008/2/14 18:32


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/11 13:05
From Lewistown
Posts: 3647
Offline
Quote:
Tomgambler wrote: Nearly all our electricity was Hydro in Idaho and it was practically free...I paid $7.50 in the summer and $40 in mid winter and I had electric baseboard heat...


Exactly, that was in Idaho. Now who is going to power NYC, LA, and all of the other major cities. I bet NYC uses more electricity in a day than Idaho uses in a year.

You are right about the fish disapearing. Think about it, every town that boarders a stream will have at least 1 turbine in the water. Think how fish migratory practice will be affected.

Posted on: 2008/2/14 19:03


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/10/2 10:08
From Westmoreland County (near fairgrounds)
Posts: 3781
Offline
I'll admit there are some risks associated with nuclear energy, but compared to burning coal for power I think its relatively safe. How many coal miners die? How many people die in accidents with coal trucks? How many people die from the air polution (well maybe this doesn't actually kill them, it just hurries them along when they are otherwise ill)? And don't forget, how many trout streams are compromised by acid rain?

Posted on: 2008/2/14 19:39
_________________
Resized Image
Only one constant in the universe, all men are equal in the eyes of the fish.
-GulfGreyhound paraphrasing Herbert Hoover


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/13 12:42
From Altoona, PA
Posts: 2259
Offline
albatross,

I don't expect we'll settle this, but... I don't think that having problems with one fuel source justifies jumping to another without trying to solve the issues with the new one. To my mind that is repeating the past and hoping for a different result. It's true we never addressed the issues with coal, but is not addresing the issues with spent nuclear fuel progress? The spent rods are dangerous for thousands of years, and could be used to create "dirty" bombs.

I agree we need to move off coal as quickly as possible. But the "as possible" assumes a solution to the disposal issues.

Posted on: 2008/2/14 21:34
_________________
Padraic
Never challenge a cat to a staring contest


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/10/2 10:08
From Westmoreland County (near fairgrounds)
Posts: 3781
Offline
Pad,

I'll concede that storing the spent fuel in hundreds of individual reactor sites is bad policy. We need a permanent solution for storage which no one wants in their backyard. Difficult problem, but not a show stopper in my opinion.

Isn't it funny that the Google adds on this thread are related to nuclear power jobs?

Posted on: 2008/2/14 23:31
_________________
Resized Image
Only one constant in the universe, all men are equal in the eyes of the fish.
-GulfGreyhound paraphrasing Herbert Hoover


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/10 21:53
From Greensburg, PA
Posts: 13631
Offline
Quote:

albatross wrote:


Isn't it funny that the Google adds on this thread are related to nuclear power jobs?


Thats because Westinghouse is about to build a bunch for China...just saw an article in todays Trib about using the 8billions gal/min flow of the Gulf stream to turn turbines...

Posted on: 2008/2/15 9:03


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/10 16:07
From Pine Grove
Posts: 2425
Offline
I've been told that there is more radioactive material laying around on the ground outside coal fired plants than is actually used as fissible material in our nuclear reactors. I agree that containment is an issue, and the person who solves that issue will be the million dollar baby of the millennium. My problem is, that currently we still use nukes, but have a moratorium on building new plants. Sooooo,we are still going to be producing waste, but will be doing it by a far less efficient process in the name of not proliferating nuclear plants. Good old American armchair activism at its best.

Boyer

Posted on: 2008/2/15 11:15


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/12 0:23
Posts: 324
Offline
so pad what's so unsafe about yucca mountain?

Posted on: 2008/2/15 11:33


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/10 21:53
From Greensburg, PA
Posts: 13631
Offline
Here's the result of a mere 30 seconds research...

Scientific uncertainties.
Many studies by federal government scientists and independent contractors suggest that Yucca Mountain is unsafe for holding nuclear waste and keeping it out of the environment. In fact, State of Nevada scientists believe that the site, under the DOE's own guidelines, should already have been disqualified.

Nuclear waste.
Radiation from nuclear waste proposed for Yucca Mountain burial is so intense that anyone with direct contact would receive a fatal dose instantly. Spent nuclear fuel contains tons of plutonium, an extremely toxic byproduct with a half-life of 24,000 years. One-billionth of an ounce, if ingested, can cause cancer or genetic defects.

Politics and economics. Many feel these influences are too great to allow for an objective evaluation of the site. Dump proponents and the nuclear power industry are eager to get the site approved despite significant environmental and health and safety problems. Should the site not work out, the nuclear industry believes it would be set back decades in its goal to build new nuclear power plants.

10,000 years.
Since a dump like this that must last for 10,000 years — almost twice as long as mankind's recorded history — has never been built anywhere in the world, proponents believe that Nevadans should rely on DOE safety evaluations and predictions that it will leak no more than permitted by regulations. The DOE's track record in handling nuclear materials, however, is extremely poor.

Posted on: 2008/2/15 12:23


Re: Do you support or oppose nuclear power generation?

Joined:
2006/9/11 11:41
From bucks cty
Posts: 997
Offline
I haven't researched the french approach. Do they store thier waste or process it?

Posted on: 2008/2/15 12:30



(1) 2 3 »



You can view topic.
You cannot start a new topic.
You cannot reply to posts.
You cannot edit your posts.
You cannot delete your posts.
You cannot add new polls.
You cannot vote in polls.
You cannot attach files to posts.
You cannot post without approval.

[Advanced Search]





Site Content
Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!
Stay Connected

twitterfeed.com facebook instagram RSS Feed

Sponsors
Polls





Copyright 2014 by PaFlyFish.com | Privacy Policy| Provided by Kile Media Group | Design by 7dana.com