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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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sal- I didn't attack you.


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yack yack yack..... facebooking and blabbing.... Do you even fish? You guys can't even pull together a simple stream clean up.


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AND by the way squatch ....what did you and your fellow blabbers actually DO? Yack Yack Yack


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The proprietor of Hammer has spoken. And he knows what is best.


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Yack yack yack. If you really want to help go plant some trees or pick up trash. Like the old saying goes "There are talkers and there are doers"


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with friends. All the yacking (which I've heard on here from this same crew before) never results in squat.


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Feeling blessed to walk the creek with Ad(vertisement) Crable.


All in the first few weeks before anything was proposed, done or anything.

Now I've made headway on some major issues and I've move from talker to do gooder. Interesting. We put together a stream clean up, we are on the verge of getting EV status and I might have helped to get Lebanon County Farmers to end the cycle. I must be doing such horrible things to deserve your lashings.
1)you did attack our group and me.
2) we did organize a clean up and will have another before seasons end.
3) used to being wrong yet?

Yes I remember your PM and again there is NOTHING I can do to stop the projects even if I wanted too. So we are going to roll with it. Get it through your head that you are blaming the wrong entities. Even if we opposed them it would still happen.
Also I find your concerns as ridiculous now as I did then. IMHO of course.
I suggest you start your own SAVE THE HAMMER FROM BEING SAVED group and see how much support you get. You get enough you can finally put an end to the do gooding horn tootin yakkers that apparently are paving a road to hell simpily because you don't agree.







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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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sal- All your quotes are taken out of context.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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By all means explain your context. It's pretty hard to paint it in another light but you trying could prove entertaining and worthwhile.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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I must admit I had no idea there was a riff prompting this question as I did not see the thread that started it all. Or possibly I became tired of the thread and didn't continue reading it. I will bow out of this fight but thanks for listening and thanks for your reasoned responses.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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troutbert good luck getting the amish to keep the cattle out of the water.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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The amish out elk creek that feed penns creek is full of cows in the water.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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Conservation of the stream itself vs conservation of your fishing access? Guess it probably depends on your view of the 'big picture.'


Good point, Tomi. I don't consider the latter to be conservationists if that is the only goal, but I suppose some do.


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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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Dwight put it well in an early response. The best conservation work consists of making it so nature can fix the scars.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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I must admit I had no idea there was a riff prompting this question as I did not see the thread that started it all. Or possibly I became tired of the thread and didn't continue reading it. I will bow out of this fight but thanks for listening and thanks for your reasoned responses.


Same here. Didn't see what prompted all this.

Posted on: 8/28 13:02
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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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The amish out elk creek that feed penns creek is full of cows in the water.


Hook_jaw, The Amish do understand the value of money, just like everyone else.

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poopdeck wrote:
I must admit I had no idea there was a riff prompting this question as I did not see the thread that started it all. Or possibly I became tired of the thread and didn't continue reading it. I will bow out of this fight but thanks for listening and thanks for your reasoned responses.


Same here. Didn't see what prompted all this.


Where it started doesn't matter, but where it ends does. Disputes can be argued without getting personal. To quote our President, "there is [fault] on ALL sides.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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I must admit I had no idea there was a riff prompting this question as I did not see the thread that started it all. Or possibly I became tired of the thread and didn't continue reading it. I will bow out of this fight but thanks for listening and thanks for your reasoned responses.


Same here. Didn't see what prompted all this.


Where it started doesn't matter, but where it ends does. Disputes can be argued without getting personal. To quote our President, "there is [fault] on ALL sides.


I agree. I believe I was civil, but thanks for the lecture anyway.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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I haven't read the thread per the OP but the general question posed throws a large net. (pun intended) At the grass roots and local level I think conservation organizations do a great job and certainly do more good than harm.

What I do see is that some so called conservation organizations on the national level get involved in party politics. Some of these were once very useful organizations that I participated in but since have drifted away into support for policies that negatively affect my interests.

Some national groups have been able to keep their focus and generally stay focused. The Nature Conservancy being an excellent example.

TU is a mixed bag that on a local level does fantastic work but the national agenda has at times drifted into policy positions that I didn't agree with.

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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i think jack is accusing me of being a trout supremacist?

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Re: Do conservation groups as a whole do more harm than good???

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Here's a suggestion. Go out and fish together. That way you could at least bicker on the stream instead of needing to take it out on each other on an Internet forum. If need be, resolve differences mano a mano (just don't bloody the stream). However, you might actually find you have more in common with each other than you think.

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