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Re: tippet length manada and stony

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I fish 6x nearly all summer on the nearby limestone streams. I go down to 7x when fishing the summer Trico's. It does make a difference. Osprey is right about those bank feeders and lighter tippet. That is my favorite way to fish a beetle. If all looks okay watch out the fight is on! I have caught many bank feeding browns in water that barely covers them!

Posted on: 2010/11/23 8:58
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Re: tippet length manada and stony

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If folks would just try it they would see and it's not that extreme as it sounds , 10x is onelb test or thereabouts , I'll put my money where my mouth is on this issue , 100% guarantee you will get more takes and land more fish if you step it down some. Go to 8x if you don't feel right about 10x and once you see the difference it makes i PROMISE you won't be dissapointed.

Posted on: 2010/11/23 9:10


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I was talking about nymphing.
Thanks.

Posted on: 2010/11/23 17:19


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4lb berkley 100% fluoro works in crystal clear i mean crystal clear water so 10x is out for me for sure !!!!

Posted on: 2010/11/23 22:22


Re: tippet length manada and stony

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I'll put my money where my mouth is on this issue , 100% guarantee you will get more takes and land more fish if you step it down some


What would it take to prove this wrong because I would be willing to wager on this. How about during the summer we attach live terrestrials to various sizes of tippet material and see what the take rate is? I don't think we would have to test the landing issue because there is no way you could argue that you will land more fish with 10x versus 6x. I guess basically we just need to prove the theory that 10x is more effective than 6x right? I am 100% serious about this wager in a fair sum of money.

Just to complicate the issue a bit, I hold that your trout mortality rate will be higher due to your over playing the fish on 10x tippet. I see guys on the Tully and LL using 8x tippet during trico and fighting a 15" fish for 5 minutes and "being ultra awesome sportsman" and releasing a fish that has such a lactic acid build up that it will never recover due to the marginal temps associated with Summer time trico fishing. Let's face it, these high pressure Summer times is when you would "need" this 10x tippet. Exactly when the fish are most fragile.

Posted on: 2010/11/24 11:24


Re: tippet length manada and stony

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I was talking about nymphing. Thanks.


In that case I think you can ignore most of the advice given above as it really doesn't apply to nymphing.

I am assuming you are using off the shelf extruded tapered leaders. First you have to understand the composition of such a leader. A typical 9.5 ft leader is going to have approximately 2-3' of the tippet size promoted on the packaging as actual tippet built in. For example if you have a 9' 5x leader, then the leader will be constructed of a few feet of butt, a few feet of transition and a few feet of tippet at 5x. You an fish this straight out of the package. As you change flies, loose flies, break off, etc you will be shortening this few feet of tippet. At this point you will want to use a double or triple surgeons knot to add a couple more feet of tippet, 5x in our example. With maybe a 10% exception, you can do all your introductory, basic indicator nymphing with this leader. Adjuster your indicator to vary your depth and presentation. If you are sight nymphing and not using an indicator, vary your shot to get into the proper section of the water column for said sighted fish.

Having said that, you are going to hear all kinds of noise on using a tapered leader in nymphing, using straight mono. That info is absolutely correct. However, I am assuming you are a beginner based upon the question. I assume you are not going to change leaders for dry versus nymphing. I also believe that while the increases in efficiency of varying nymphing leaders are certainly present, they will be marginally noticeable to a beginning fisherman.

Posted on: 2010/11/24 11:36


Re: tippet length manada and stony

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Was it humphreys or harvey that disproved the tippet size thing? I can't remember.

Not to take jdaddy's thunder, but that experiment was already done, and unless something's changed, he'll win.

The issue is drag. Lighter tippets decrease drag, since they are more supple. Using a longer piece of 5x accomplishes the same thing.

My experience with the berkley stuff is that it's not as supple as traditional tippet material. While it may or may not be invisible, the drag is still there.

Jeff knows what line I'm going to use now about finding better ways to save a buck than tippet. Play 'em off keyboard cat.

Posted on: 2010/11/24 11:38


Re: tippet length manada and stony

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Was it humphreys or harvey that disproved the tippet size thing? I can't remember. Not to take jdaddy's thunder, but that experiment was already done, and unless something's changed, he'll win.


You owe me money. Dork.

Posted on: 2010/11/24 12:12


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As a general rule, I'd go with a 5-6 foot butt/tapered leader section and adjust the tippet length, weight and/or indicator till your nymphs are bouncing along the bottom a few feet into your drift. You'll want your indicator near the end of your leader or the top of your tippet. Typically, you'll be nymphing with 3-5 feet of tippet with this setup.

Posted on: 2010/11/24 14:09


Re: tippet length manada and stony

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As for light line, I do fine with my 6X plus but my Pap was a spin fisherman and would catch trout better than anyone I knew or know. He used 2lb or less mono fishing line exclusively.

Posted on: 2010/11/24 14:16


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berkley 100 % fluro is the cats a..... !!!!!!

Posted on: 2010/11/24 20:45


Re: tippet length manada and stony

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jayL wrote:
Was it humphreys or harvey that disproved the tippet size thing? I can't remember.


I was just reading that section in Harvey's book the other day... Ironic!

Posted on: 2010/11/30 13:25



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