Register now on PaFlyFish.com! Login
HOME FORUM BLOG PHOTOS LINKS


Sponsors

Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users





simulated hatch

Joined:
2011/7/7 20:06
From South Central,PA
Posts: 425
Offline
Here's a new scenario for me... Recently I've been fishing dries, which I don't fish very often. It happens when I approach a nice hole, and there are no rising trout and little or no insect activity. I start drifting a fly past fish. For a while they ignore it. Eventually they catch on and the rises start. The activity builds and a top water frenzy ensues. I catch a few fish until the activity eventually dies down again. I've done this with stocked trout and wild Brookies.

I'm thinking that my fly drifting past them 15-20 times or so gives them the illusion that something is going on, like multiple flies are coming down the line, even though its just me casting the same fly. I've started calling this a "simulated hatch". Is this possible and is there another term for this technique? I'm sure this is pretty common with dry fly fishing but it definitely seems like a different technique than "matching the hatch". In a sense I feel like I'm simulating a hatch when no hatch is happening.


Posted on: 2013/6/22 13:32


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2012/3/14 6:23
From Lancaster
Posts: 1017
Offline
Hank Patterson (worldwide renown fly-fishing expert and guide) is a firm believer in it. He had a little different technique but one of his videos shows him instructing his client (Reese) on how to "simulate the hatch". I don't care who you are his stuff is just flat out funny!

Posted on: 2013/6/22 15:29


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2006/10/25 12:30
From York
Posts: 450
Offline
There could be a couple of things going on. If the fish is feeding opportunistically, it may take a couple of drifts over his head to catch his attention. It could also be that the fish is looking for something to come down a certain feeding lane. You cast towards it and even tho you are close to his lane, he won't take it. You make more casts until you hit it just right with no drag and the he takes it.

Just my $0.02.

Posted on: 2013/6/24 11:31
_________________
7X makes the small fish feel bigger.


Re: simulated hatch
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/11 8:26
From Chester County
Posts: 9072
Offline
This subject has been written about many times by some of the old masters of fly-fishing. I really haven't had much luck with it. Sooner or later, you're gunna make a clunker of a cast or drag the fly and put the fish down.

Posted on: 2013/6/24 12:05


Re: simulated hatch
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/9 17:32
From Gettysburg
Posts: 9248
Offline
Quote:

afishinado wrote:
I really haven't had much luck with it. Sooner or later, you're gunna make a clunker of a cast or drag the fly and put the fish down.


Agree.
Many times I've drifted a dry fly over a trout - a caddis, ant, or mayfly imitation - and thought to myself that the fish might eventually rise thinking that a hatch was starting. I don't think it ever turned out that way.
Now, if a fish rises in the water column to inspect your fly and doesn't take.....this is more promising (but a different situation). If you see a trout and he doesn't move after a couple good drifts over him......try a nymph or wet fly.

Posted on: 2013/6/24 13:20


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2009/12/17 20:43
From Souderton PA
Posts: 875
Offline
Quote:

afishinado wrote:
This subject has been written about many times by some of the old masters of fly-fishing. I really haven't had much luck with it. Sooner or later, you're gunna make a clunker of a cast or drag the fly and put the fish down.


Isn't that when your supposed to shadow cast

Posted on: 2013/6/24 20:51
_________________
Don't Feed The Trolls: http://youtu.be/ulNSlES1Fds


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2006/9/21 0:02
From Pittsburgh
Posts: 4307
Offline
I've never had much luck doing this either.
A lot better alternative IMO, is to fish terrestrials in no hatch situations

Posted on: 2013/6/25 7:57


Re: simulated hatch
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/11 8:26
From Chester County
Posts: 9072
Offline
Quote:

dryflyguy wrote:
I've never had much luck doing this either.
A lot better alternative IMO, is to fish terrestrials in no hatch situations



.....or nymphs

Posted on: 2013/6/25 7:59


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2006/9/21 0:02
From Pittsburgh
Posts: 4307
Offline
Quote:

afishinado wrote:
Quote:

dryflyguy wrote:
I've never had much luck doing this either.
A lot better alternative IMO, is to fish terrestrials in no hatch situations



.....or nymphs


What are they?

Posted on: 2013/6/25 8:13


Re: simulated hatch
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/9 9:29
From Monessen, PA
Posts: 22424
Offline
How could we be sure we "simulated" a hatch just because we repeatedly cast over a lie or a run and eventually caught a trout?

Once again: trout are dumb. They have no idea what a "hatch" really is. The Royal Coachman/Wulff is all the proof you need that under proper circumstances, you can catch trout with anything.

Posted on: 2013/6/25 11:00
_________________
Peace, Tony


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2011/5/26 10:12
From Dauphin PA
Posts: 2766
Offline
If you cast several hundred flies on each cast, yes. If you are casting a single fly, ain't happening.

My best guess.......Get to stream at 5:30 pm, nymphing until 6:45, change leader set up and start dry fly fishing at 7 pm. By 7:30...fish start rising and it builds to s fever pitch around 8. You have not simulated a hatch but actually fished during one (or a spinnerfall). Carefully observing what is in the air over the stream and what is in the surface film will help you solve any mystery. Then again, what do I know?

Posted on: 2013/6/25 11:29
_________________
"Excelling at making people angry since 1967"


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2011/7/7 20:06
From South Central,PA
Posts: 425
Offline
Quote:
How could we be sure we "simulated" a hatch just because we repeatedly cast over a lie or a run and eventually caught a trout?


Because it wasn't just one random trout it was around 8-10 trout. Perhaps calling it a simulated hatch is giving myself too much credit...Maybe presenting a fly several times simply caught their attention...but isn't that what happens naturally too, insects catch their attention?

Quote:
You have not simulated a hatch but actually fished during one (or a spinnerfall). Carefully observing what is in the air over the stream and what is in the surface film will help you solve any mystery.


The two places I've described, I've fished during hatches. I've seen them come and go, and this really seemed like nothing was going on, (atleast on the surface) I could be wrong. There were very few, if any rises, except for when they took my fly. From my experience this seemed very unique...that's why I started the topic. Normally I show up and fish nymphs until I see some rises, observe the insects I see, try to match, and maybe catch a few. This situation arose from me being stubborn and wanting to fish a dry fly for no good reason, and things just worked out in my favor. The time I caught over 10 trout was my all-time best day fly fishing...I'm just trying to justify my luck!

Posted on: 2013/6/25 20:14


Re: simulated hatch

Joined:
2011/5/26 10:12
From Dauphin PA
Posts: 2766
Offline
If there's nothing hatching and you just blind cast, yes you can catch fish that way. Was it a simulated hatch? I'd say no. You might have been in an area with tricky currents that caused your fly to drag even if you didn't see it. Theres also the chance that sesection didn't hold many fish and when you moved....success! Could have made the impression on you that you spurred them into believing a hatch was going on. Trout are opportunist. They will eat what ever appears to be food. I'll put my 30+ years against a theory any day.

Posted on: 2013/6/25 21:03
_________________
"Excelling at making people angry since 1967"






You can view topic.
You cannot start a new topic.
You cannot reply to posts.
You cannot edit your posts.
You cannot delete your posts.
You cannot add new polls.
You cannot vote in polls.
You cannot attach files to posts.
You cannot post without approval.

[Advanced Search]





Site Content
Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!
Stay Connected

twitterfeed.com facebook instagram RSS Feed

Sponsors
Polls
Will you be fly fishing this autumn?
Yes
No
Thinking about it
_PL_TOTALVOTES
The poll will close at 2014/10/31 17:56
1 Comment





Copyright 2014 by PaFlyFish.com | Privacy Policy| Provided by Kile Media Group | Design by 7dana.com