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Re: nymph's

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I've tested the breaking point of both double and triple surgeons(many others as well) In most of the tests the triple was about 5 percent stronger. I mostly tested the connections between 4x and 5x, then 5x and 6x. Different line strengths will likely get different results. That being said one is definitely more likely to screw up the triple than double.

Posted on: 9/14 20:35


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I've tested the breaking point of both double and triple surgeons(many others as well) In most of the tests the triple was about 5 percent stronger. I mostly tested the connections between 4x and 5x, then 5x and 6x. Different line strengths will likely get different results. That being said one is definitely more likely to screw up the triple than double.


What was your scientific way of testing the knots and coming to the conclusion that the triple was 5% stronger? I'm not doubting your findings, just wondering how you so accurately applied slow and steady pressure until the breaking point.

Posted on: 9/15 8:18


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Triple is stronger but you're more likely to weaken the line when tying it. Make sure to lubricate and tighten from all four ends. Just pulling the tag ends tight will make the knot fail for sure. If you're new to knot tying get comfortable with double for a while before the triple. It's a great, simple and strong knot either way.


No problem tying it and seating it properly, it's what I use for my dropper tags typically. JW as certain "improved" knots are actually weaker than their predecessors, like the improved clinch for instance (from what I've heard, I never bothered with extra step... If I wanted a stronger similar not I just use a trilene)


The Trilene knot is one of my all time favorites. I've got no problems with a clinch or an improved clinch. The regular clinch can have a tendency to pull out of lighter tippets unless wrapped 7 times or so around the standing line in my opinion.

Posted on: 9/15 8:20


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I've tested the breaking point of both double and triple surgeons(many others as well) In most of the tests the triple was about 5 percent stronger. I mostly tested the connections between 4x and 5x, then 5x and 6x. Different line strengths will likely get different results. That being said one is definitely more likely to screw up the triple than double.


What was your scientific way of testing the knots and coming to the conclusion that the triple was 5% stronger? I'm not doubting your findings, just wondering how you so accurately applied slow and steady pressure until the breaking point.


I cant say how ryan did it, but there is a video floating on the web with lefty kreh testing knots on some sort of knot strength contraption and the triple was found to be significantly stronger than the double, I dont recall exact numbers but the triple for sure out performed the double up untill 3x. Above 3x the knots were almost equal

edit: just to be clear, real men use blood knots

Posted on: 9/15 10:26


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edit: just to be clear, real men use blood knots


Lesser men (like me) are ok with catching more fish while you're tying your blood knot.

Posted on: 9/15 12:13


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edit: just to be clear, real men use blood knots


Lesser men (like me) are ok with catching more fish while you're tying your blood knot.


Practice makes perfect man! Doesnt take long at all once yah get the hang of it

Posted on: 9/15 12:57


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+1. Old school blood not still my way to go

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I have an electronic stringing machine accurate to a 10th of a pound. I'm not sure how familiar you are with racket stringers but they clamp down on string and will tighten to a tension. All I did was tie a knot I wanted to test, secure one end to a clamp and put the other end into the tensioner. The display tells you the tension and I would increase by a 10th of a pound until it broke. Pretty simple, I was just messing around one day to see my knot strength, I was less than impressed with all the ones I tried. They were no where near %100.

Posted on: 9/15 20:25


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I have an electronic stringing machine accurate to a 10th of a pound. I'm not sure how familiar you are with racket stringers but they clamp down on string and will tighten to a tension. All I did was tie a knot I wanted to test, secure one end to a clamp and put the other end into the tensioner. The display tells you the tension and I would increase by a 10th of a pound until it broke. Pretty simple, I was just messing around one day to see my knot strength, I was less than impressed with all the ones I tried. They were no where near %100.


That's awesome Ryan. Thanks for letting me know how you did that...sounds like a good accurate way to get a gauge of strength. Have you ever tested the Blood Knot since others have chimed in on that one?

And I agree....I'll tie my double surgeon's and hopefully have another fish on by the time you guys are still tying the blood knot.

In all reality tippet rings make sense to me. I've been out of them for quite a while, but......when I last had them two years ago or so I loved them.

Posted on: 9/16 5:09


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I have an electronic stringing machine accurate to a 10th of a pound. I'm not sure how familiar you are with racket stringers but they clamp down on string and will tighten to a tension. All I did was tie a knot I wanted to test, secure one end to a clamp and put the other end into the tensioner. The display tells you the tension and I would increase by a 10th of a pound until it broke. Pretty simple, I was just messing around one day to see my knot strength, I was less than impressed with all the ones I tried. They were no where near %100.


That's awesome Ryan. Thanks for letting me know how you did that...sounds like a good accurate way to get a gauge of strength. Have you ever tested the Blood Knot since others have chimed in on that one?

And I agree....I'll tie my double surgeon's and hopefully have another fish on by the time you guys are still tying the blood knot.

In all reality tippet rings make sense to me. I've been out of them for quite a while, but......when I last had them two years ago or so I loved them.


The blood knot was a little weaker than the triple surgeons, not a noticeable difference. I've stuck with the surgeons because it's easier than the blood imo.

Posted on: 9/17 23:26


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Since this turned into a knot thread, I don't feel like I'm hijacking:

I use double surgeon's for tippet to tippet connections, and, lately, I've been noticing that if I break off it's ALWAYS at the lightest tippet (usually 6x) immediately below the surgeon's knot. The knot doesn't fail, but the break is always right after it.

Is this normal? I have no understanding of physics, so I was getting worried I might have bought some old tippet that sat on the shelf too long.

Posted on: 9/18 7:36


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How far below the knot? The weakest point is at the knot.

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How far below the knot? The weakest point is at the knot.


Close. There's a tag of maybe a millimeter or two, but not much.


Posted on: 9/19 7:19


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How far below the knot? The weakest point is at the knot.


Close. There's a tag of maybe a millimeter or two, but not much.



The lightest line (your tippet) will break first under max load. As Ryan stated above, it will most likely break at the knot. Even with a lubricated knot, the lines being drawn together when tightening the knot cause friction and slight deformation at that point. That's where it is most likely to break....and does! Sounds like you're doing it all right. Lube it up, pull it tight, check it one more time, and fish!

One other note. Keep checking all your knots on the leader, tippet and fly when you're fishing. Knots have a way of becoming fatigued and weakened when stressed by pulling on snags (and hopefully pulling on fish) as well as the line becoming abraded on rocks and other obstructions. I pull real hard to test and cut off and tie new knots very often when fishing. You never know when that big one will hit.

Posted on: 9/19 7:41

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Re: nymph's

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Great. Thank you both for the responses.

My 6x is currently a different brand from the rest of my tippet, and a brand I don't usually use, so I think I was developing a prejudice against it. Good to know that all is well.

Posted on: 9/19 7:46



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