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Re: New guy here

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Welcome. I just recently joined as well and have found everyone to be great. A lot of knowledge and willingness to help. Merry Christmas all.

Posted on: 2010/12/26 9:00
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Re: New guy here

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mcwillja wrote:
Welcome - How is the trout fishing in Ohio?


It sucks.

I haven't visited this forum in awhile, so I thought I'd check it out again. I'm originally from PA, but live in Ohio (barely).

There are 2 or 3 streams that are stocked with brown trout fingerlings, but I've never fished any of them. Mad river is one of them, and I'd guess it is the best of them. Visited one once just for something to do (looking for a place to camp). I wasn't impressed.

You can find info on the net.

I'm probably one of the few people who have caught stream bred brook trout in Ohio, and I found them without the help of the internet or any books. I've always said that if there are brook trout around, I can find them. Drove by this stream, and I said "dang, that looks like it ought to have brook trout." Maybe I smelled them. So one day I stopped and checked it out. Sure enough, I saw a few in a plunge hole (very tiny stream). I went back with the fly rod and caught a few to take pictures. Later I found that there were only two streams in the whole state that had reproducing brook trout, and the one I found was not native (the other was/is). they have been trying to raise them and reintroduce them into other streams.

Where was this? I'm not talking on the open forum, but the info can be found on the web. Brook trout are protected in Ohio.

Steelhead fishing in Ohio is pretty good though. they don't stock as many and there are bigger streams, which I think makes it better. However, I haven't fished for steelhead in Ohio for 8 or 9 years even though I live less than 30 minutes from Conneaut Creek and Ashtabula River, and work less than 10 minutes from the Chagrin.

I wish the stream on my property was bigger, I'd get brook trout started in there, but for now it is just a place to catch minnows for fishing in my ponds.

Ohio has great fishing for warm water species though.

Posted on: 2011/1/4 14:00
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Re: New guy here

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FarmerDave,

Sounds like I live a little south of you. I am aware of the place the ODNR talked about a while ago on the brookies. About the place you found- that's really fascinating! I would never thought to look anywhere else besides the one that is a little more public knowledge. I'll just leave 'em well enough alone though. My luck is I'd probably accidently kill the little bugger!

I've also seen on the OH forum I belong to, some pics from the guys that fish the Mad and the others around there a lot. They catch some pretty big browns in there. I think a club owns a some of it, but other than that I know zilch about it.

In the time it takes me to get to the more fishable areas of tribs in OH, I can be in Tionesta which is more my speed. I know the area a little, but not all the little creeks yet. I know a lot of the guys on here know that area really well, but it's all new to me! I really look forward to hiking into some of them places. The Tionesta tailwater looks like it's worth a go in winter, maybe this weekend. Gives me the chance to snoop around a little!

Posted on: 2011/1/4 15:55
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Welcome aboard.GG

Posted on: 2011/1/4 17:59
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Re: New guy here

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Welcome to the site NNC

Posted on: 2011/1/4 21:29


Re: New guy here

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FarmerDave,

Sounds like I live a little south of you. I am aware of the place the ODNR talked about a while ago on the brookies. About the place you found- that's really fascinating! I would never thought to look anywhere else besides the one that is a little more public knowledge. I'll just leave 'em well enough alone though. My luck is I'd probably accidently kill the little bugger!

I've also seen on the OH forum I belong to, some pics from the guys that fish the Mad and the others around there a lot. They catch some pretty big browns in there. I think a club owns a some of it, but other than that I know zilch about it.

In the time it takes me to get to the more fishable areas of tribs in OH, I can be in Tionesta which is more my speed. I know the area a little, but not all the little creeks yet. I know a lot of the guys on here know that area really well, but it's all new to me! I really look forward to hiking into some of them places. The Tionesta tailwater looks like it's worth a go in winter, maybe this weekend. Gives me the chance to snoop around a little!


The stream I found is almost as well known as the one you are talking about, and ODNR had little to do with both of those at least initially. Both are in the Chagrin water shed, and the one with Quebec strain was used for comparison when determining the other was truly native (genetic study). The Quebec strain was put there by a rich school that had their own hatchery, and they also used egg boxes. The water was clean enough that the trout started reproducing.

I used to stop periodically and targeted the little panfish and toss them on the bank.

I can give you more details in a PM if you like. I just don't like posting it on a public forum. Besides, you probably wouldn't want to fish there anyway. I certainly have no reason to. It is just interesting that brook trout can be found there.

There is another trib of the Chagrin that I found that I am pretty sure I saw a brook trout dart under a rock, but I can't prove it. That stream is so small I doubt anyone knows about it. It might not even have a name, but it is fairly close to the other one, so those might have come from the same source.

I've never been to the Mad river, but I've also seen the photos. I’d fish there if I was closer. My post was more along the lines that it wouldn’t e worth a trip for a PA guy to fish it. I’m only 5 miles from the PA line, and I can probably be at Penn’s creek in about the same time as Mad River. Maybe less. And I have only fished Penn’s twice. The brown trout stream I visited over here was in Mohican state part I think. It was awhile ago. I used to have a travel trailer and was looking for a campground where I could put it for weekends. I was not impressed. The area was way too crowded for me.

There is another trout stream (a spring creek) out by Castalia, but I think it is all club owned. Plus the ODNR has a hatchery out there. It might be the same stream, I don’t know. Of course there is the blue hole, but I don’t know if they are all the same stream or not.

Some years, the ODNR stocks legal size rainbows in Payne Creek. It also gets some steelhead. I’m sure my chops would get busted for mentioning that one if this was one of the steelhead sites, but it is hardly a secret.

Tionesta. I’ve fished the spillway a few times (with bait, jigs, and/or hardware), and always catch something. But it has been a very long time. You never know what you will catch there.

Posted on: 2011/1/5 7:21
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Re: New guy here

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Coincidently, I was poking around up closer to Penn's over the holidays, takes just over 3 hrs for us unless you're haulin'. Sad to say I have family up there and visit a lot, but never bring my stuff with me. Thats going to change, but I guess I just want to go so I can cross Penn's off my list of creeks. Not really interested in really crowded areas either.

I didn't know that a school put those brookies in there. I figured that after you said there were more streams with 'em, that the ODNR just moved the native strain, or they "migrated". You definitly have a way of sniffing them out.... sadly, I don't ever really see the fish doing much, and I don't have a reason to fish for 'em either. I don't really ever see them able to populate the trib, or it's feeders in any real substantial way. Really cool to see 'em and know they're there.

Yeah, those steelheader "unmentionable" tribs....Steelhead 101- tribs of tribs, feeder creeks, those little blue lines coming off the lakes. I use atlases, gazetteers, field guides, google earth for all my scouting for hunting and fishing. They show almost everything. Then it's just a matter of taking a look.

Posted on: 2011/1/5 14:51
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Re: New guy here

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I sent you a PM.

Posted on: 2011/1/5 16:03
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