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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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the kneeling & crouching is pretty important.

remember that when choosing your hip boots or waders.

in summer a pair of roofers knee pads will save your knees.

you will get odd comments, well more than usual...hey buster, where's your skateboard etc.

its a great way to fish though - more like hunting than fishing. forethought is everything and i find it mentally very relaxing.

enjoy it.

Posted on: 2012/12/5 18:04
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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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again...

the most important aspect of fishing wild freestone streams the right way (dry or die), is...

casting lanes.

staying in your casting lane helps you keep stealth, out of trees, and the ability to reach the head of the pool after working the tail. Side arm and double hauling casting must be achieved.

no offense but, wilds w. streamers and nymphs?? that's not even fishing.

Posted on: 2012/12/5 18:17
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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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no offense to who? I didn't see anything in this thread about streamers and nymphs?

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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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imho sightcasting a nymph to a feeding/holding brookie is harder than dry fly fishing.

Posted on: 2012/12/5 19:02
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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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it was a general statement pp cray.. i wasn't calling on anyone, bud.

seriously, anything subsurface for those dumb dinks is not fun in my eyes... doesn't mean those who enjoy it should stop. just my a-holish opinion that it takes zero skill. yes, i said zero skill.

the entire premise of freestone wild trout is a joke. relaxing, easy fishing for numbers.

the

Posted on: 2012/12/5 19:20
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Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets down stream, mend, and wait out each fly swing, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates to the angler to role of butler, rather than nemesis.

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I respectfully disagree with you, Steve. Don't get me wrong, I think catching wild fish on dry flies is really cool, but I also enjoy and find myself more than not going underneath for native Brookies. If double haul casting is a must for you, you obviously are not fishing the same type of streams that I target for wild fish. Our sport is so diverse it allows us many different techniques to use and try to master. To me, that's what makes it so enjoyable.

Posted on: 2012/12/5 19:28


Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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Steve,

Gotta say I agree with dc. I have NEVER double hauled on a mountain brookie stream. I pretty much single haul as a matter of habit, but it's probably not necessary.

Dries are easier, not harder, than subsurface. If they're agressive enough to rise, they'll hit anything, on top or underneath. But you can fish from further away, and around tighter cover, with dries.

And I could see calling this type of fishing easy, it is in a certain manner. It's tough in other ways, like finding it and getting yourself there. Relaxing??? Seriously? On larger streams I may never go more than a quarter mile or so. On a good day on a brookie stream, I cover miles, and am quite literally sore and exhausted at the end.

Numbers, yeah, they're high. I don't do it for the fish. I do it for the places.

Posted on: 2012/12/5 21:39


Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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dudes, i am talking about finesse fishing the same streams as well, but double haul just to punch a cast through a small as window of space to fish the hole most would nymph, with a dry.

i think you both took what i said a little out of context

all the likely and unlikely small streams in the sw and north worth fishing... most small, class a's and b's.


Posted on: 2012/12/5 21:45
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Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets down stream, mend, and wait out each fly swing, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates to the angler to role of butler, rather than nemesis.

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Steve,
It was not my intention to take anything you said out of context. My point was that a double haul cast to shoot a dry fly through a tight spot on many of the brush choked mountain freestoners I fish is not only impractical it would be totally impossible. Many times I fish downstream by paying out line and drifting my subsurface offering through runs, into undercuts and directly into and under debris jams. Stealth, low profile, sun angle are very important because I am trying to catch the "dumb dinks" while they are facing me. I feel this technique affords me the opportunity to fish a lot more productive water than I could conventionally with a dry fly. Your comment about this type of fishing "not really being fishing" is what I wholeheartedly disagree with. Again, no disrespect intended to you, and sometimes it is good to say that we agree to disagree and carry on. Tight lines!

Posted on: 2012/12/6 6:17


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Quote:

stevehalupka wrote:

the entire premise of freestone wild trout is a joke.


That's pretty embarrassing. And posted in the Beginner Forum. Bad guidance for beginning flyfishers, IMHO.

For anyone fairly new to flyfishing (or anyone who has done little or no freestone wild trout fishing), don't be influenced by that kind of talk.

Going out on the forested streams of PA and fishing for wild trout is terrific, some of the best that PA has to offer. Don't miss out on it!

Posted on: 2012/12/6 8:47


Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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yea, i never meant to deter people from fishing any way.. just giving out my stance that, if i can't fish dries to freestone wilds, i'll move on to the next stream which i can

dc,

you highlighted exactly what i was referring to.... standing at the head and letting line out while the current works to achieve a drift. It's just not my forte.

Seriously, i can assure you some of those impossible casts can be made! if it's a stream where you truly cannot back-cast AT ALL, i don't even waste my time w. it. That doesn't mean YOU don't have fun w. them.

the average person would say camp run is a tight stream... to people who have experience w. tight quarters and a small rod, they can cast to pretty much every run there. I've fished much smaller streams w. brush and still made backcasts.

pcray,
you said you fished gillhouser... casts can be made their w. ease and it's a very tight stream.

Posted on: 2012/12/6 9:55
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Sure, we can assiduously three-quarter our wets down stream, mend, and wait out each fly swing, which to my way of thinking, anyway, relegates to the angler to role of butler, rather than nemesis.

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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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Dries are easier, not harder, than subsurface. If they're agressive enough to rise, they'll hit anything, on top or underneath. But you can fish from further away, and around tighter cover, with dries.


What are your guys go to dry's when fishing for bookies .. top five?


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On a good day on a brookie stream, I cover miles, and am quite literally sore and exhausted at the end.

Numbers, yeah, they're high. I don't do it for the fish. I do it for the places.


I'm going to have to hit the gym b4 I start doing this thing

Of all the photos I have seen on this site, some of the brookies are just stunning. There seems to be a beauty and adventures aspect to this.

Posted on: 2012/12/6 9:56
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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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That's pretty embarrassing. And posted in the Beginner Forum. Bad guidance for beginning flyfishers, IMHO.

For anyone fairly new to flyfishing (or anyone who has done little or no freestone wild trout fishing), don't be influenced by that kind of talk.

Going out on the forested streams of PA and fishing for wild trout is terrific, some of the best that PA has to offer. Don't miss out on it!


From everything I have on line, Pa has, what many feel, some of the best wild trout fishing in the country.

Posted on: 2012/12/6 9:58
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Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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Stagger - Anything that floats high and is easy for you see...that's the important part. No one style is better than any other really, but this usually means:

Wulffs
Humpys
Bigger Parachutes patterns, Adams is the most common probably.
Elk Hair Caddis
Stimulators

Color or specific pattern within the above doesn't really matter.

Posted on: 2012/12/6 10:04


Re: Finding Brookie Streams ..

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Swat .. so when dealing with brooks seems one doesn't have to worry about matching any hatch .. these lil guys are just hungry and aren't too particular b/ they are fished infrequently, right?

Posted on: 2012/12/6 10:11
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