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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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Good list. Carry most of the sub-surface ones. With a PT Nymph soft hackle being my most effective pattern. I'd swap out the Elk Hair Caddis for a CDC and Elk(deer hair). Only two materials, easy to tie, maybe more effective than the Elk Hair caddis. I wish I had that list when I first started fly fishing.

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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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Although there's nothing I would argue with on the list, the "dozen" is 26 different flies, or 84 if you count all the sizes (and that's assuming you only count even sizes.)

It also doesn't specify style of tying ("Catskill", parachute, or comparadun -- I carry all three for sulfurs, e.g.).

A good list, but it doesn't really narrow down the number of flies the beginner should carry, especially since he would want several of each.

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This is a great list, I think as a beginner I'm often working on Technique, and I'd like to know that what I have on the end can be effective under most conditions. That way once I start catching fish (hopefully) it can be attributed to good technique. If I'm fishing something I have no clue about I don't know if I'm not catching fish because of my technique or because the fish aren't interested...

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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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I have been purchasing flies from Flydealflies.com.

inexpensive, decent quality flies.

Check them out

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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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Although there's nothing I would argue with on the list, the "dozen" is 26 different flies, or 84 if you count all the sizes (and that's assuming you only count even sizes.)



I think you could safely do without the the largest size of each dry and nymph listed and perhaps the next largest size also. For example, I don't think I've ever used a #10 for a sulfur hatch, or even a #12 and a #10 EHC is a dang big caddis.


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It also doesn't specify style of tying ("Catskill", parachute, or comparadun -- I carry all three for sulfurs, e.g.).



The traditional Catskill style should be assumed IMO. At any rate a raw beginner will have none of the various styles, so simply having any of them in the appropriate size will greatly improve their situation.

However, just listing "sulfur" among more specific names like Adams and EHC is pretty vague.


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A good list, but it doesn't really narrow down the number of flies the beginner should carry, especially since he would want several of each.



I dunno. You could strip that list down to bare bones and still be an effective fisherman. I could easily make do with only one size of most of those flies and eliminate some color variations. However, subsurface caddis imitations are underrepresented on that list. A tan or olive #16 sparkle pupa and a green larva imitation would round out the list for me.

On the other hand there are a ton of flies I fish the heck out of that aren't on that list, like Copper Johns and Prince nymphs. Regardless, the flies from that list are going to catch at least some fish most of the time and produce decent results most of the time.

Kev

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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams
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redietz wrote:
Although there's nothing I would argue with on the list, the "dozen" is 26 different flies, or 84 if you count all the sizes (and that's assuming you only count even sizes.)



I think you could safely do without the the largest size of each dry and nymph listed and perhaps the next largest size also. For example, I don't think I've ever used a #10 for a sulfur hatch, or even a #12 and a #10 EHC is a dang big caddis.


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It also doesn't specify style of tying ("Catskill", parachute, or comparadun -- I carry all three for sulfurs, e.g.).



The traditional Catskill style should be assumed IMO. At any rate a raw beginner will have none of the various styles, so simply having any of them in the appropriate size will greatly improve their situation.

However, just listing "sulfur" among more specific names like Adams and EHC is pretty vague.


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A good list, but it doesn't really narrow down the number of flies the beginner should carry, especially since he would want several of each.



I dunno. You could strip that list down to bare bones and still be an effective fisherman. I could easily make do with only one size of most of those flies and eliminate some color variations. However, subsurface caddis imitations are underrepresented on that list. A tan or olive #16 sparkle pupa and a green larva imitation would round out the list for me.

On the other hand there are a ton of flies I fish the heck out of that aren't on that list, like Copper Johns and Prince nymphs. Regardless, the flies from that list are going to catch at least some fish most of the time and produce decent results most of the time.

Kev



The point of the whole fly selection is to simplify it for a complete beginner. As you know, one of the first things (after the beginning FFer tried to figure out which rod, reel and line to buy ) is walking over to the fly bins and seeing 10's of thousands of flies sitting there. Almost no one has the money and if they did, the knowledge to select all the most useful patterns to begin FFing.

I used the KISS principle to help beginners get started.

Size > Shape > Color

No need to know the names of the flies hatching or even the names of the flies in your box.

When a newbie FFer asked which flies should I use, I would often tell them....if you see a fish taking small dark fly on the water......use a small dark fly!

Further I let them know with dries you have up-wing flies, to imitate insects that look like little sailboats on the water (aka mayflies) and downwing flies (aka caddis or stoneflies) plus land based insects that fall in the water (aka terrestrials)

Specifically I chose the sulfur pattern as the light colored mayfly in the selection, so if a beginner sees a light colored fly with wings like a sailboat they can select the light colored fly in their fly box. Plus sulphurs are the most common mayfly found in PA streams. The sulphur pattern can be use to imitate all light colored mayflies like cahills, march browns, female hendricksons, etc. That's why I recommend different sizes.

I chose the adams pattern because it has caught a gagillion fish, and can be used for matching dark sailboat-winged flies. So the adams can match BWOs, the ISOs, Quill Gordons and all other darker colored mayflies.

If you see a light colored downwing fly without sailboat wings (downwing) use that fly. That would be the Elk hair Caddis. It can match many caddis hatches as well as stonefly hatches. And the larger sizes of EHC can match golden stones or even grasshoppers on the water.

Anyway, boiling things down to light and dark and up-wing or down-wing flies in different sizes simplifies the dry fly selection puzzle in the fly shop as well as on the stream.

Hell, if I'm out there and don't have the "right" pattern, I pretty much do the same thing > size > shape > color.....the fish don't seem to mind most times.


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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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I've been fly fishing for 20 years and I don't know most of the correct names of my flies.....I just say "These ones". And leave it at that. :)

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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams
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"Approximating the Hatch (a KISS method)"
by Afishinado

1. One midge dry
2. One midge pupa
3. One #14 EHC in light brown
4. One Adams
5. One #14 pheasant tail
6. One #14 hare's ear soft hackle
7. One #12 olive wooly bugger
8. One #14 black ant

I have often been rewarded by having to switch flies because I ran out of the successful pattern. This is how you learn, I think.

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Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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"Approximating the Hatch (a KISS method)"
by Afishinado

1. One midge dry
2. One midge pupa
3. One #14 EHC in light brown
4. One Adams
5. One #14 pheasant tail
6. One #14 hare's ear soft hackle
7. One #12 olive wooly bugger
8. One #14 black ant

I have often been rewarded by having to switch flies because I ran out of the successful pattern. This is how you learn, I think.


Don't get me started. Too many guys are so afraid of getting skunked that they won't cut off a fly that catches them 6 fish in order to tie one on that will get them 12. Same goes for switching overall techniques.

Posted on: 1/31 10:21


Re: A dozen top flies for PA trout streams

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My list.

1. Tan RS2
2. Sexy Walt's Worm
3. Soft Hackle
4. Black ant ( both dry and drowned)
5. White Slump Buster
6. Honey Bug
7. PT
8. Parachute Adams
9. Tan Caddis
10. Blood Dot

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