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Re: Stocktoberfest 2012 Is It Too Early?

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ah, looked backwards and saw Palisades parking area. Been trying to look deeper into the dog thing.

Regarding ownership, the union canal trail owned by the county extends from Rebers Bridge down to Stonecliffe and covers both sides of the stream. And the rules there are definitely no dogs.

http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/Parks/Pages/RulesRegulations.aspx

However, the area of the trail upstream from Rebers, including the Palisades parking lot, is owned by the Army Corps of Engineers and LEASED to the county which allowed the upgrade to the parking area and the extension of the trail. I've been trying to find out the pets rule in these areas. The Army Corps allows them, the County Park system does not, so whichever set of rules governs the area wins.

Waterworks is owned by the Army Corps and pets are allowed.

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Re: Stocktoberfest 2012 Is It Too Early?

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Ok, found it, I think. The Army Corps is in charge of law enforcement at both the Rebers and the Swiftwater (Palisades) parking areas. Downstream from Rebers it's all controlled by county park system, where the no dogs rule applies.

http://www.nap.usace.army.mil/sb/docs/regulations.pdf

Swiftwater and Rebers parking areas are listed as developed areas.

1. Pets shall be on a leash under 6 ft in length, or otherwise physically restrained, in all developed areas or adjacent waters.
2. Persons bringing pets into developed areas shall be responsible for removal and disposal of wastes produced.

blah, blah, blah

The waterworks parking area is also owned by the Army Corps, but NOT listed as a developed area, thus it falls under the rules of "remote areas". There's a rule against aggressive or vicious pets, but Penny Lane is a good girl and it looks like she'd be free to roam leash-free there.

Posted on: 2012/8/30 11:49


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We are thinking Yellow Breaches behind the Allenberry


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I love Allenberry - however, they (politely) asked me to leave one day when I was fishing there with Benny. There are no signs that I'm aware of....but they don't allow dogs.

Posted on: 2012/9/4 22:18


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The Breeches would be awesome too! Please keep the date the same though, as I already put in a request to get that Saturday off.

I'll go anywhere w/in reason (I ain't driving to Erie, for example!)

Posted on: 2012/9/5 7:53


Re: Stocktoberfest 2012 Is It Too Early?

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Put it where you want. But the mroe I think on it, Waterworks on the Tully would work just fine.

It's army corps property, dogs allowed, and don't have to be leashed there. It's stocked right there, we can watch for risers while we B.S. It's relatively private, the only people there are dog walkers and fishermen. It's not a huge lot but probably big enough for us.

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I like that idea. Since its right there along the stream, maybe I'll even bring my dog! We can fly fish right there w/in site of the parking, right PCray?

Posted on: 2012/9/6 10:05


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Yes, definitely are fishing opportunities in sight of the parking. The parking is elevated too, so it's kind of like a stadium, lol.

I'm just trying to remember how many parking spaces are there. Been a while since I've been there. It's not huge.

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I bet some of us can get there early enough to "reserve it" for our gang.

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I wasn't so much worried about other cars not associated with us. The issue is that it might only hold 7 or 8 vehicles total or something. One of those deals where it's not a paved lot with lines and stuff, it's just a dead end gravel road in a woods setting, with a couple of unofficial or semi-offical "pads" where 3 or 4 cars can pull off at the dead end.

With a group like this, you could, for instance, park people in and get more. You might be able to park em along the road if you can get off enough. I just don't remember in enough detail exactly what it's like. Never paid attention, because there was only ever a car or two there and it wasn't an issue.

But you can always shuttle them in from other lots. Rebers, Palisades, Stilling basin, etc. It's a short drive to all of the other lots.

And realistically, you'd have that same problem at Palisades, Rebers, or the road to nowhere as well. If you want bigger parking areas, it limits you to Grings Mill, Red Bridge, or the Stilling Basin. The former 2 are county parks, no dogs period. The Stilling basin is an army corps property as well, it's the spillway. But they list it as "improved", meaning dogs must be leashed.

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Here's a satellite pic of the waterworks. Notice the 2 vehicles to get an understanding of scale. That's basically a cliff between the lot and stream, but there are stairs going down.


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Yeah we hit a stream following the fall stocking. Last year was a bust, fish wise, but the company and the scenery was amazing.


Hey, I caught a couple. Just gotta get the company to keep up!


Hey, I managed one ugly stocker too AND walked all the way down to the FFO area and back. Everyone was gone by the time I got back to the car.

Count me as a strong maybe for this year, pending scheduling and family constraints..

And my initial thought was the same as your's Pat, which was to try and hit some more productive brookie waters mid-morning. I've never fished the Tully though, so I imagine that will have to suffice.

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There are good brookie (and wild brown) waters nearby and I know them well. Probably better than 10 worthwhile wild trout streams within a 20 minute drive of the Tully (why is it the famous one again, lol). But the spawning thing, late October is probably not good from that perspective. If alone, it's one thing to keep wading to a minimum, be on the lookout for redds and leave those fish alone, etc. But probably not a good example to set at an organized event like this.

Posted on: 2012/9/6 22:20


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In talking with Afish if we park at the "Run" above the Allenberry we can bring dogs. We can fish up or down to the Allenberry. Let's think on this for a bit longer before we pull the trigger as its a 2 & 1/2 hr drive for me.

Posted on: 2012/9/7 8:26
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West Branch Octoraro Creek - Stocked on October 10th. That would give the fish enough time to turn "wild". Parking at Puseyville Road Bridge (here come the sophomoric comments) and up on Street Road along the stream. It may even have some holdovers.

Posted on: 2012/9/7 9:11



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