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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I'd be game for a NC or Central PA brookie jam; so long as you can split up into smaller groups, both regions would work quite well. Petticoat Junction might work as a location in NC PA, but I'd caution against fishing the big name streams like Slate and Cedar, on what would be termed a newbie brookie jam, as they are tough streams to fish. Quiet Oaks Campground outside Cross Fork was tossed around as a site for the Jam a year or two ago, and there was also a campground used for the Quill Gordon Jam this spring, near Galeton or Coudersport. And, for that matter, the State Forest lands provide ample free camping, so long as you don't need electric or non-primitive toilets..

I always try to make a NC PA run sometime in June or July, and would enjoy adding this element to a trip that is either usually solo or with one other partner.

Posted on: 2012/8/5 20:19


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Not organization or planning. Its the amount of people or traffic on the stream is what I'm talking about. You can't fish effectively on a small brooky stream with 3 guys on your shoulder. Ya just can't be stealthy enuff. And it's hard to teach with your guys 30 ft behind ya.

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I'd be game for a NC or Central PA brookie jam; so long as you can split up into smaller groups, both regions would work quite well. Petticoat Junction might work as a location in NC PA, but I'd caution against fishing the big name streams like Slate and Cedar, on what would be termed a newbie brookie jam, as they are tough streams to fish. Quiet Oaks Campground outside Cross Fork was tossed around as a site for the Jam a year or two ago, and there was also a campground used for the Quill Gordon Jam this spring, near Galeton or Coudersport. And, for that matter, the State Forest lands provide ample free camping, so long as you don't need electric or non-primitive toilets..

I always try to make a NC PA run sometime in June or July, and would enjoy adding this element to a trip that is either usually solo or with one other partner.

Posted on: 2012/8/5 20:25


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Well, the Pine Creek Gorge certainly has some brookie streams. But if you truly wanna be in brookie "heaven", I'd suggest the Renovo/Kettle Creek area.

Better yet, encourage a few members to bring canoes. There's a number of streams that are best accessed via canoe. Would be a very enjoyable day.

Posted on: 2012/8/6 10:03


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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this looks like it could be fun i would like to know more streams to fish and learn how to fish them better pocono stream would be closer for me but maybe would drive 2-3 hours if it would be good fishing.

Posted on: 2012/8/6 21:19


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Its the amount of people or traffic on the stream is what I'm talking about. You can't fish effectively on a small brooky stream with 3 guys on your shoulder. Ya just can't be stealthy enuff.


B.S. It gets harder to keep things organized, but if the people are organized, you can do it successfully nomatter how many people you have. Stealth isn't any more of a problem with more people. Stealth is only required as you approach a hole, and nomatter how many you have, only 1 person is approaching a hole.

The problem is simple. Amount of time actually fishing. If you "take turns", then you got 1 guy fishing at a time, with everyone else standing around watching. That's fun, for a little while, but gets old pretty quick. If you go with the leapfrog method, then more people means the "jumps" are bigger, you end up spending more time walking than fishing. You also cover water too fast and usually run out of good water quickly.

For an event like this, 4 per stream is probably about max. So pick a place where you can send many groups to many different streams.

Posted on: 2012/8/7 9:22


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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pcray1231 wrote:
[For an event like this, 4 per stream is probably about max. So pick a place where you can send many groups to many different streams.


+1...I'd say 3 per stream is ideal, one leader, 2 Newbies, but 4 would work if need be. Any more, although possible, is just simply impractical.

The amount of interest we get next Spring will affect location. For a fairly small group, say 12 anglers total or less (so 3 or 4 groups out on different streams), there's a couple areas in the Poconos that would probably work ok.

Any more than that though and you probably need to move to the State College area, or even better, NC PA where there are more quality (and accessible) streams to spread out and send groups out on.

In any case, I think NC PA is the place to do this sort of thing...lots of public land, lots of the classic high gradient tiny Brookie streams, and even a few not so tiny ones. Once we set up a date in the Spring, and see who's interested we can put it up to a vote and go from there. I can tell ya now though, my vote will be for NC!

Posted on: 2012/8/7 10:02


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Agreed. The Pocono's has some spectacular streams, no doubt. The problem is that a lot are on private land, making the public ones rather spread out, and this would force people to drive significant distances from "home base". That's fine for fishing with some friends for a day, but not appropriate for a larger group trying to meet up at various times.

There are places in NC where there are dozens of good brookie streams within a 5 or 10 mile radius. That would be ideal for this kind of thing.

I'd be ok with the Pocono's. I'd be fine with Pine Creek valley. But if voting, my first choice would probably be somewhere around Renovo, and my second choice would be SE Potter Cty, where the headwaters of the 1st Fork, Pine, Allegheny, and Kettle all meet. Make it a month or so AFTER the main jam, after the super hatches on the big streams have died down and brookie fishing is coming into it's peak. Pick a willing campground as home base, allow people to make a weekend of it. Target Saturday as the main day, with an official meeting time at 9 a.m. or so. Half hour instructional session to explain tactics, then split groups and have everyone on their way by 10. Then have an evening get together for those who are staying the night.

Posted on: 2012/8/7 10:13


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I think that's a good basic outline Pat, very similar to what I had in mind.

If we're talking specifics within the NC, I'm more knowledgable on your second choice area (SE Potter/SW Tioga), but would be comfortable leading on a stream in the Renovo area as well...would just need some help on individual streams.

Posted on: 2012/8/7 10:57


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I'm more familiar with the SE Potter area too! I've always salivated over maps around the Renovo area, and it's a little farther south for the travelers.

Draw a box with corners at Karthaus, Lock Haven, Wellsboro, and Coudersport. I think anything within that box would do just fine. ;)

Posted on: 2012/8/7 12:57


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I say let's shelve the "Brookie Newbie Jam" idea until next Spring.


Bump ...

We are 37 days out until the 1st day of spring.

Is there still interest in doing this?

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+1 Pat, that would be the area, I know it fairly well, but troutbert knows it even better then I do.

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Is there a date date set?

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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No official date. It's been kind of "back-burnered" with all of the other Jams and newbie stuff going on. Definitely still possible if there's enough interest though. 6 months later I think just a "Brookie Expedition" may be the better title...meaning not just for newbies. Discuss, if there's enough interest, I'll talk to a few of the other Brookie regulars and see what we can come up with.

Posted on: 2013/2/11 19:49


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Im so in as long as a date works for me ... whatever date it may be. I will blow off the kids weekend soccer schedule for this excluding two, my daughters tourny day which Ill know shortly or june 22. Will travel so thats not an issue for me

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