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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I thought they pushed it off to Swattie. Freakin Stagger creating all kinds of turmoil....

Posted on: 2012/7/31 16:13
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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Rods, I typically use a 7 1/2 footer. I also have options at every half foot above that up to and including 9 foot. There are inevitably times during every single outing that I wish I had a 6 footer, and later that I wish I had a 9 footer.

Shorter rods allow you to do more in tight places. They're also easier to carry through streamside brush. But when it gets REALLY tight, longer rods bow and arrow cast better.

I've always liked fairly stout rods, overlined. That 7 1/2 footer is a 4/5 wt rod, and I throw a 7 wt line on it. I'm not alone in that approach, but there are plenty of very good fishermen who think differently too, so take it for what it's worth. You have to find your "style". And in the end, if you like using a 2 wt, then use a 2 wt. It may or may not cost you a few fish, but who cares. Personally, I don't get all excited about the fight from a 6" brookie. But I very much enjoy the places where they live, and the challenge of getting a fly into tough places without spooking them.

You typically cover a LOT of water during these outings, and end up far from the car. And the more people you have along the more water you collectively cover. Before and after lunch usually does not work, it limits you too much. Your gonna have a drive and a hike to get where your gonna fish. If you gotta be back for lunch, by the time you get there, it's time to go. There are exceptions, but they are exceptions. If it's a single day thing, then the meeting time would probably be EITHER morning or evening, but not both. Or you could make it an overnight event at a campground or something.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 16:17


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Paul and I have been discussing the date as October 6th, for our little shindig. Swattie if you want to put your own thing together feel free to do it. I am sure people would be willing.to jump in on it. I mean we could split up on the pocono newbie jam. I could lead a group of guys to one of my bigger streams, and Paul or swattie or someone else could lead a brookie trip. Up to you guys.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 16:25
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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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I thought they pushed it off to Swattie. Freakin Stagger creating all kinds of turmoil....


I usually leave my chaos talents to the OT Forum .. I'm starting to really step into the shinola

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Stagger, yes, smaller than Valley or the Little Lehigh. Usually anyway. But the differences are far bigger than stream size, it's a different world altogether. In no ways comparable regarding technique and tactics.

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Paul and I have been discussing the date as October 6th, for our little shindig. Swattie if you want to put your own thing together feel free to do it. I am sure people would be willing.to jump in on it. I mean we could split up on the pocono newbie jam. I could lead a group of guys to one of my bigger streams, and Paul or swattie or someone else could lead a brookie trip. Up to you guys.


Shane you've been renamed "Big Water" by me :) That would be a good idea. Just need to identify a logical place for the Picnic portion of our program. Pohopoco has some open areas up by the dam (grassy areas), only seating is the issue. If we can find a park near a good stream that would be ideal. Otherwise it's a good stream where everyone can spread out on and stay more or less in a group.



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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Stagger, yes, smaller than Valley or the Little Lehigh. Usually anyway. But the differences are far bigger than stream size, it's a different world altogether. In no ways comparable regarding technique and tactics.


That should be interesting .. I have enough going thru my head with this game and I'm sure a lil more will do wonders. Calling dibs on the group with the most patient 'elder'.

From the photos I've seen, the small creeks are really pretty. Now so I understand and from what I think I read ... since the brookies aren't fished as hard they aren't as picky/smart???

Also, do the spook as easy as the harder fished fish? I understand they probably spook and you still want to be as cautious as possible but are they as sensitive as the fish in Valley for example?

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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If I'm not in New York for Salmon, I'll try to make it down for this. Might be able to convince my grill to come along too.

As far as seating goes, I have a couple of folding tables I can bring, and I sure most of us have folding or roll up chairs.

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Paul and I have been discussing the date as October 6th, for our little shindig. Swattie if you want to put your own thing together feel free to do it. I am sure people would be willing.to jump in on it. I mean we could split up on the pocono newbie jam. I could lead a group of guys to one of my bigger streams, and Paul or swattie or someone else could lead a brookie trip. Up to you guys.


Shane you've been renamed "Big Water" by me :) That would be a good idea. Just need to identify a logical place for the Picnic portion of our program. Pohopoco has some open areas up by the dam (grassy areas), only seating is the issue. If we can find a park near a good stream that would be ideal. Otherwise it's a good stream where everyone can spread out on and stay more or less in a group.



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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Becker - I certainly don't wanna pull anyone away from your group or what you guys had planned (if it's not small stream type stuff). I'm not sure on my availability that weekend but I'll check. If there's a group that wants to do the small stream/Brookie thing, let me know...if I'm free I'll take a group out.

Truth be told, my Fall schedule is pretty busy as far as weekends go and the problem with Brookies up north is that by mid/late October we'd be encroaching on their prime spawning period... during which I wouldn't want to put a bunch of guys out on small streams. In the end we may have to shelve an all out Newbie Brookie Jam until next year. Admittedly, September would be about ideal but I don't think I have one free weekend in September this year. Early June would be a decent option too for next year...maybe a couple weeks after the Big Jam. The farther in advance these things get planned the easier it is to schedule for them IMO.

In any case, I'll double check my scheduling with Mrs. Swattie.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 17:49


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Stagger - In all seriousness I don't think Brookies are any less or more smart than other Trout. Brookies in rich limestone environments can be very selective in their feeding, just like Browns. I think in general small stream/freestone Brookies are less picky with what they eat, and in turn, how it's presented to them because of the environment in which they live. In these headwater streams, forage fish are sparse, hatches minimal, and there's just plain not too much food in them. Brookies have to be opportunistic and eat whatever they can, whenever they can. That's an advantage to the angler in that they'll probably eat the fly on the end of your line too.

As far as spookiness goes, I'd say they're more spooky than pressured fish. That said, they're often found in higher gradient streams where plunge pools and broken pocket water can help keep them from seeing you as easily as in a fairly low gradient stream like Valley. If they see you, they will bolt though, and when one bolts it tends to spook the entire pool or run...or worse, one runs up into the next pool and spooks that one too! If I see a fish bolt, I usually don't even try to fish that pool and just move on...sometimes I'll come back to that pool on my way back downstream.

The key to Brookie fishing is covering water and putting a fly in front of them without them seeing you first. The actual fly is of little importance most times.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 18:00


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Paul and I have been discussing the date as October 6th, for our little shindig. Swattie if you want to put your own thing together feel free to do it. I am sure people would be willing.to jump in on it. I mean we could split up on the pocono newbie jam. I could lead a group of guys to one of my bigger streams, and Paul or swattie or someone else could lead a brookie trip. Up to you guys.


That weekend would not work for me but please don't plan around me. Thes guys would be in good hands with both of you.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 18:01


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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That's a tough weekend for me too. Homecoming at my high school and both of my colleges all on the same weekend. Choices would have to be made...

Stagger, they are very spooky. But a very different type of spooky. On Valley they kind of sulk, maybe slide just out of range. Give em 10 minutes and they start feeding again. On brookie streams if you spook them, maybe you see them dart, maybe not, and they're gone like they never existed. They may not come out again all day. Even days after a good spooking, the stream won't have fully recovered.

So spooking is much more severe. But I wouldn't say it's easier to spook them than on Valley. In fact, with heavier currents (lots of whitewater and such) often you can approach closer WITHOUT spooking them. But then you couple that with often HAVING to get closer just to make a cast.

Not nearly as picky, for sure. Patterns, drag, etc. Forget about it. If you locate a good stream, get yourself there, and it hasn't been fished that day, and it's not ridiculously low, you're going to catch fish, likely double digits, and 30+ isn't unusual at all.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 19:23


Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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The type of fishing that is brookies fishing is not condusive to a large group of anglers. However, if you were to go to NC PA for a weekend it could be done because there are hundreds of brookies streams. If it was done at Petticoat Junction it would be ideal. You have Cedar Run right there, Babb Creek nearby, Slate Run, and all the tributaries of all of those streams and many others.
Add to that a short trip to Kettle or YWC and you all can spread out sufficiently to make it a fun trip. I'd be happy to attend and lead a group.
There are many brookies streams that are much larger than 8 to 10 feet wide. All the streams I mentioned are larger than that for instance. But you do need a shorter rod that will cast into tight places no matter where you fish in NC PA. I have extra rods that I can bring so not having a rod is not necessarily an issue.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 20:20
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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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Agree with Chaz...ideal location for a Brookie Jam is NC PA.

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Re: Newbie Brookie Expedition/Jam?

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The only other option would be the last Saturday in September. Don't know what Paul thinks of that. Let him make the final decision. I am no good for the second Saturday in October.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 21:32
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