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Re: Fly Tying Symposium 2017

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Business Libel is grounded in spreading liesFree speechis grounded in being able to express an opinion.
 
Message Board etiquette is grounded in not taking private disputes public for no public purpose.


So, are you saying these personal attacks to "CHUCK" and his business are simply an expressed opinion and not Business Libel? I never quite understood the fine line.

Posted on: 2017/11/24 13:00

Edited by Maurice on 2017/11/25 18:08:55


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I hope all had a relaxing Thanksgiving! I apologize for not submitting my thoughts on the IFTS sooner, but here goes.

This was the second year that I had an opportunity to participate as a tier and presenter in the IFTS, and both experiences were again extremely enjoyable.

From the tier perspective, I shared a table with my buddy Josh, and it was great to connect with so many that I hadn't previously met before. There were around three or four members from this forum that introduced themselves, and very cool to put a face with a name (or username, GenCon!). As mentioned, it was dark in the room, and Chuck was very clear (and apologized) about that when speaking at the Banquet on Saturday night. I had multiple lights at my tying station, and had no problems tying. The Saturday crowd was larger than Sundays, which is the norm, and I was surprised and happy that many people from NJ had made the trek to Lancaster.

As with last year, I left my station occasionally to see what everyone else was tying, and it was great seeing many familiar faces and friends, plus making some new ones. I'm surely missing some, but people who made the show for me include Theo Bakelaar (everyone loves Theo!), Tim Flagler, Mike Albano, Bob Clouser, Tom Baltz, Walt Young, Josh Miller, Mike Romanowski, Jerry Coviello, Ted Patlen, Lou DiGena, John Collins, Darrin Krug, Son Tao, Greg Heffner, Randy Buchanon, Matthew Green, Gordon Chesney, and Chuck Furimsky. So much talent, and catching a glimpse of Robert Smith tying was cool.

On Saturday, I participated in "Meet the Bloggers," a newer event that has grown in popularity. In its second year, the group was moderated by Chuck, and consisted of a lively round table discussion featuring:

Josh Miller - Fly Fishing Team USA
Walt Young - Writer, personality (seriously, ha ha!), and creator of Walt's Worm
Tim Flagler - Tightline Productions
Son Tao - Facebook and Instagram
Nicole March - The Quilted Tyer

The banquet Saturday night was a blast, allowing me to meet the Project Healing Waters top five tiers for the year, plus witness the announcement of their winner, Son Tao. The banquet food was delicious (Italian), the giveaways were worth the price of admission, plus the videos of "Red Neckman" were nothing short of spectacular!

On Sunday, I taught a fly tying class that consisted of some excellent tiers and we had a lot of fun. Immediately following that, I gave a presentation on "Emergers," and the audience members were very attentive (considering Blane Chocklett was on-deck!).

My only regret was that I didn't have a chance to view some of the other presentations, especially one given by Matthew Green on entomology.

Thanks to all who attended and stopped by my station, as it was another great IFTS for me. Thank you especially to Chuck Furimsky for continuing to support and promote this event, and I look forward to participating again next year.

Tim

Posted on: 2017/11/25 14:50
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I never knew that business libel was grounded in lies. But if I sue one or two of your bloggers who posted it would be an easy case. At least half or more of their opinions were simply lies. The claim that the same old people with the same old programs was a low blow of a lie. It's not fair to Robert Smith, who flew over from England to present his awesome seminar for the first time at the symposium, or Matt Green who seined insects in the morning so he could have a really live seminar, and Daniel Galhardo who travelled from Colorado to tie Tenkara Flies that were a unique new featured tier program. And those were just a few examples that were facts that make the symposium a popular yearly event. Even Bob Clouser, who ties the most popular pattern everyone has learned, demonstrated his new patterns. Yes, he is old like me and others, but we still have something to share. And scattered around the symposium in between old legends are young and upcoming stars. Just have to look around and not walk through the aisles with a giant chip on your shoulder and a hurry to get home and blog your bitterness.
As I mentioned this would be an easy case to sue because the business lose is spelled out in writing. Didn't the one blogger write that he would never give me another $15 dollars and never attend another symposium. There you go, I just lost business. This blogger believed his own lies and is hurting my business by refusing to spend his cash. Case closed.
Chuck Furimsky

Posted on: 2017/11/25 17:50


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Quote:

clearwater wrote:
I never knew that business libel was grounded in lies.
Chuck Furimsky


Yes Libel and/or Slander must be based upon a false assertion of fact.

Posted on: 2017/11/25 23:50
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Chuck Furmisky and the PA Fly Fish Bloggers,

I'm sure no one will find it difficult to believe this is not the first time I have regretted something I said and especially the way I said it.
So let me say right at the start...I apologize to Mr. Furmisky and the Fly Tying Symposuim for the unkind manner in which I presented my impression of the show.

It is true I returned from the Fly Tying Symposium disappointed and hot under the collar. Then in a moment of intemperance, placed my tounge firmly in cheek and tried to express my opinion in a (what I thought) was a humorous and over the top manner. My intent (truly) was to stir the pot and begin a discussion on ways of improving the show. I can see now that my bombastic tone came off as mean spirited. For that I apologize. There certainly were more constructive ways I could have expressed my opinion.

I do not know Chuck Furmisky. We have never met or spoken. I have nothing against him personally. My comments regarding his management of the show were out of line. I am sure this apology will be too little...too late for many but it is heartfelt and sincere none the less.

Kevinmichael






Posted on: 2017/11/26 10:05


Re: Fly Tying Symposium 2017
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There you go. Kisses!

Posted on: 2017/11/26 10:58
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Yo kev
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I am glad to see your explanation and apology. I was so struck by the unusual tone of the OP that I looked at your old postings. I found the dissonance so puzzling that I assumed you had been the victim of an unfair traffic ticket, road rage and several-too-many libations. It is good that you closed the circle.

Posted on: 2017/11/27 9:25
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Been tying at the show for about 5 years.

I love meeting the guys i see but twice or three times a year, having a beer and shooting the breeze.

Folks always stop by my table, some regulars, some new folks.

I cover all my expenses to attend the show, gas, hotel, food (beer) etc, but i keep going back because i like it.

Sure, there are things not to like, low attendance some times if the stripers are running, poor lighting, you could write a book of things to complain about, but whats the point if the end result is an overall good experience.

Again, i enjoy the show, meet folks and get some deals, either on new materials, vintage stuff (antique blind eye double hooks this year) and some books.

I also tie flies that virtually noone fishes with, including myself. But the skills and techniques i use can be used in any fly tying scenario - - so i like to share that information to those who stop by.

Finally, i usually learn a thing or two from some of the older attendees.




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