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Re: Fly Tying Symposium 2017

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These shows are a waste of time and money IMHO and are a big moneymaker for guys like Chuck.


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I didn't know there was anything wrong with making money.

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Well that was quite the tantrum. The OP should sell all his fly gear and take up something less frustrating, like golf. It's not the big show so what were you really expecting? The only time to get a "deal" is the last two hours on the last day. I spent $100 and came away very happy with what I brought home. I also learned a few things from the featured tiers and made some new friends. I also got to spend a day with an older gentleman who does not get out that often. He had a blast too.

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Suggestions on how to improve the fly fishing shows seems like a good thing.

I see no point in the personal attacks, though.


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1. It was exceedingly dark in there. Us old guys have a hard time seeing small things in the dark.

2. Kind of the same old Show vendors. Not much new. I try and buy from them to support the show. Spend about $60 on hooks and such.

3. It was crowded. I liked downstairs better.

4. I too have been going for 20 years and find the value declining, but hell its winter and something to do.

5. The Tyers varied in some very chatty and some off-putting. Makes me wonder why some are there.

6. Chuck does wear loud clothes and sneakers.

7. The presentations are old. Yeah, a guy puts a powerpoint together once and shows it for 100 years. Most college professors are the same.

8. The show felt cheap this year. So the profit motive was more out front.

9. Went to the Orvis outlet and bought more stuff on the way home.

10. It was really dark in there.

11. Dark = bad


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Re: Fly Tying Symposium 2017

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"8. The show felt cheap this year. So the profit motive was more out front."
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Yep.

And when you find out show promoter(s) treat the tiers (who actually provide the content) (often at their own expense) with disrespect you get a bad taste in your mouth for the whole affair.

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Just wondering who kevinmichael is calling the next generation of stars? (I do not consider myself to be a star or celebrity)

The Fly Tiers have two category tables. Category 1 the tier does not pay for his table and is only there to show off their skills, which was 80 tiers. Then you had the tier that bought a Category 2 table and was allowed to sell their products and flies.

Then you had the non-profit club tables such as Mainline Fly Tyers, TU local chapters, Project Healing Waters, and the Catskill Fly Tying Guild.

Also had Chesapeake Council of Fly Fishers International teaching anyone that wanted to stop by and tie a fly for free.

These shows help draw interest to new fly fishers who are looking to get information on how to fly fish and/or learn what fly tying is. This is also a nice way for a newbie to find a club or a club to gain new members.

I would like to see more vendors that are selling fly tying materials. But talk with a vendor and see the cost of a booth for them. Selling $3.50 thread isn't helping him recoup the cost of the booth.

I taught a workshop on Saturday and the student traveled 7 hours to learn how to spin and stack deer hair flies. I also knew him from a workshop I taught back in August at the Fly Fishing Fair in Livingston Montana and it was great to reconnect with him.

As a Demo Fly Tyer for the weekend I had many guests stop by and ask questions on Deer Hair spinning and stacking, and when I changed to parachutes and nymphs others stopped by to watch and ask questions.

It would be a shame to loose this show since it does serve a purpose to the fly tying community. There were tiers from New Hampshire, Conn, NJ, PA, VA, CO, DE, and NY. They paid their own expenses to be here to show their knowledge to others.

As a demo tier at the show the promoter has never disrespected me.

I am not getting into cost of tickets (movie ticket is over $10.00 for a 2 hour move).

Dark room, yes that was an issue and the venue could not brighten the room with the lights they had. Things happen, learn for next year what to do. I hear the room will be moved to a larger banquet room on the 3rd floor where the lighting is better.

You want more vendors, talk to them and say you really missed them at the show.

If you have ways to improve the show email Chuck. I also agree no reason to attack him personally.


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^ Thank you for posting, Jerry.

If the truth be known, (and now it is) most of the tyers at the show were there at their own expense, just because they love fly tying, teaching, and showing others the craft...and not to make any profit for themselves.

As far as fly tying vendors that are looking to make a profit for themselves; why would they spend money for a booth, travel expenses, hotel, meals, plus their time, or pay someone to man their booth, all to sell items at deep discounted prices? They can and most do, sell their products online with very low overhead, without any of the aforementioned expenses.

Anyway, if enough people enjoy the show and see value in it, the show will go on.

If not, the show will no longer exist.

It's really as simple as that.

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It sure is nice that so many give of their time and talents and either are paid nothing or actually have to pay for a booth and of course travel expenses etc. And less vendors just means these shows are not profitable for them either. So the organizer is the only one who walks away with a pile of $. I guess that's how it works?

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Good for the organizer. His idea, his time to organizer the event, taking the risk for putting a couple of thousand dollars down on the venue, hoping that the weather holds up and advertising to bring in the customers. Dealing with the electrical union and the carpenter union.

If you want to do this there is no stopping anyone from creating a show of your own.


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Good for the organizer. His idea, his time to organizer the event, taking the risk for putting a couple of thousand dollars down on the venue, hoping that the weather holds up and advertising to bring in the customers. Dealing with the electrical union and the carpenter union.

If you want to do this there is no stopping anyone from creating a show of your own.



Understood (by most anyway). Thanks again, Jerry for your info.

I guess the bottom line is; if you love fly tying and are interested in learning about tying and talking to people with similar interests, the show may be enjoyable to you.

If you looking to make a killing by buying fly tying materials, tools or whatever at cheap prices, the show may not be for you.




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Enough said yet?

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It sure is nice that so many give of their time and talents and either are paid nothing or actually have to pay for a booth and of course travel expenses etc. And less vendors just means these shows are not profitable for them either. So the organizer is the only one who walks away with a pile of $. I guess that's how it works?


There is so much money rolling in from the fly fishing industry I don't why there are not more people in jumping in.

Glad that Chuck has done such a great job bringing so many people together for so long. Anyone that can give so much to so many people for so long should be applauded.

IMHO



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Bob,

Thanks for the kind words, as it was a pleasure talking to you and many others from this site and all over. The IFTS was a wonderful experience for me, and I plan on writing a full review of it in the next few days. In the meantime, I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.

Tim

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I, on the other hand, thought the show excellent. The only disappointment was the fact that Charlie Collins was a no show. I was looking forward to picking up a few hen sets.

Robert Smith's talk was worth trip in itself. His tying demo was a bonus. (As was getting to talk to tctrout for a few minutes.)


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As the founder and producer of the International Fly Tying Symposium I value opinions and depend on forums like paflyfish to allow people to express their views. I've decided to respond to the several members who shared a wide variety of personal comments about the symposium, me, tiers, and vendors.
I read the post by Kevin Michael. I don't recall ever meeting him, but he sure has a ton of knowledge about me and my efforts to bring the symposium to the public these past 30 years. There wasn't anything he liked about the symposium or me, even hating my clothing. I read his rant twice just to see if it was a weird joke. The only thing he didn't say bad things about was my mother. Everything else he beat to death.
The other post by a "fox trapper" from nowersville, according to his fact sheet, also seemed to be highly critical. It would take me a few thousand words to answer both of them. I will do something unusual and very transparent to address just one of their many backstabbing that most people would tell them that it is none of their business. But it is painting me as a money counting scoundrel and cheating the tiers and exhibitors for personal profit. It is a coincidence that I just received all the invoices from the hotel, decorator for tables and stools, printers that print and mail my brochures, electricians, celebrities, food and lodging expenses, and a variety of other things that are necessary to produce a show. Maybe those that find it necessary to go on this forum and call me a money counter might, but I doubt it, review these facts before claiming to be my accountants.
Just finished the symposium costs to produce the event: $30,350.00
The money needed from ticket sales, booth rentals, and a percentage of tier tables came to : $30,100.00
That was great news for me, because I only went in the hole a few hundred dollars and it is usually closer to a thousand or more. Over 30 years it added up. But I have the enjoyment and satisfaction to doing something I enjoy and so do many others. Not everything should be evaluated on dollars or cost. Good times and great friends are invaluable. And I want to thank all those that aupport me and make be happy to continue bringing the symposium to you every year. If you don't find it valuable to your lifestill that's O.K. There are other things to spend your $15 on, but think about not being so nasty the next time you feel we want to hear your rant and ravings.
Chuck Furimsky

Posted on: 2017/11/23 11:43



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